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View Poll Results: Should the Flames use or threaten to use an offer sheet this year?
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Yes, Flames should be exploring every option to improve the team.
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No, it is too early in the rebuild to consider it right now. The picks could be lottery picks.
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Never, offer sheets are too risky in terms of compensation and overpaid contracts.
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No, waste of time as the other team will definitetly match.
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No, don't think there is a player this year worth an offer sheet.
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05-19-2015, 12:14 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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If you were in Treliving's shoes would you use or threaten to use an offer sheet?
Let the yearly debate begin.
The offer sheet compensation package for the upcoming season was released by Friedman:
Notes about offer sheets:
1. The picks in the compensation package must be the team's original picks. They cannot be picks acquired from other teams (unless a team is reacquiring a pick that was originally theirs).
2. The picks are for the 2016 draft or later. Free agency begins after the 2015 draft.
3. Compensation for offer sheets are determined by taking the total money and dividing it by the number of years or 5, whichever is less. For example a $7 million x 7 year deal is actually a $49/5 = $9.8 million AAV for compensation purposes and means 4 first round picks.
4. RFA players that elect for salary arbitration and RFA players that do not have 3 or more years of professional experience are ineligible to sign offer sheets.
Some of the more noteworthy RFAs whose respective teams might have potential cap issues matching offer sheets.
Dougie Hamilton (Boston)
Vladimir Tarasenko (St. Louis)
Tyler Toffoli (LA)
Brandon Saad (Chicago)
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05-19-2015, 12:16 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Can they offer sheet McDavid mere seconds after he is drafted?
Not serious on this one, but is that a plausible situation? Can a team tender an offer sheet to a player if they were drafted but haven't signed a contract yet or does he have to have an expired contract in order to throw an offer sheet his way?
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05-19-2015, 12:17 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Nope. Not convinced the Flames won't be drafting top 10 next season with how competitive the Western Conference is.
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05-19-2015, 12:18 PM
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First Line Centre
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hamilton is the only one i'd consider. franchise dmen like that just never ever become available, and can be elusive to draft.
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05-19-2015, 12:18 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
Can they offer sheet McDavid mere seconds after he is drafted?
Not serious on this one, but is that a plausible situation? Can a team tender an offer sheet to a player if they were drafted but haven't signed a contract yet or does he have to have an expired contract in order to throw an offer sheet his way?
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The most you can offer is am ELC, which is the same as Edmonton would offer. Unless it's totally forbidden, but either way you're not outbidding Edmonton as there's a maximum and it's quite low
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05-19-2015, 12:19 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Save that card until MacDavid is available?
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05-19-2015, 12:19 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buff
Can they offer sheet McDavid mere seconds after he is drafted?
Not serious on this one, but is that a plausible situation? Can a team tender an offer sheet to a player if they were drafted but haven't signed a contract yet or does he have to have an expired contract in order to throw an offer sheet his way?
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No they can't, a player has to have signed his first SPC and at least have 3 years pro experience to sign an offer sheet.
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05-19-2015, 12:20 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: AB
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A 1st and 3rd would be great for Hamilton but I can see Boston matching 5.4 mil
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05-19-2015, 12:21 PM
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First Line Centre
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Never...it violates the golden rule.
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05-19-2015, 12:23 PM
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Could Care Less
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No. Goes against everything that the team has been saying about drafting and development. Plus then they have to over pay. Just makes no sense really from any perspective at all.
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05-19-2015, 12:24 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Tofolli @ 3.5 maybe, but Kings would match.
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05-19-2015, 12:24 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by spetch
A 1st and 3rd would be great for Hamilton but I can see Boston matching 5.4 mil
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I suspect they'd match 7.4 for that matter. This is their guy to take over from Chara.
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05-19-2015, 12:32 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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I would for Hamilton in a heartbeat. It's bad to give up draft picks but best case scenario with those picks is that they'd turn into a player like Hamilton. He is what this team needs and should try to get. There aren't too many players I would though, he's a special case and I have a feeling that someone is going to go after him.
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05-19-2015, 12:33 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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No, because things are still pretty tight. There is little difference these days between being a fringe playoff team and a lottery team. Unless you are a Cup contender, giving up multiple 1st rounders is too risky. (I am assuming that we are talking about big offersheets and not trying to snag an average RFA).
Whether or not a team is likely to match is meaningless to me. If you want the player and are willing to give up the compensation, then make the other team match if they want. It should have no bearing on whether or not you at least try.
The only player in recent years that I thought was worth the risk was Stamkos, but no one even bothered.
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05-19-2015, 12:35 PM
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I'm not against offer sheets but don't see how it's feasible right now. If you mangaed to sign Hamilton for less than 5.4 then Boston would match instantly. Any more than 5.4 and it throws our whole salary structure out of whack. Imagine trying to extend Gio after paying Hamilton 7M x 5. Would still love to see Hamilton here though.
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05-19-2015, 12:37 PM
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Calgary
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The compensation for those higher value contracts is too much for the team to consider at this point. But if you're looking at a guy around $3.5M or less then why not? Giving up a second or third round pick for someone you value and believe is a legit NHL player is worth it considering that pick isn't 100% guaranteed to produce a full time NHL player.
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05-19-2015, 12:40 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Calgary
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I said no player worth it. You'd have to overpay to such an extent the player you got wouldn't be worth the cost.
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05-19-2015, 12:42 PM
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First Line Centre
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honest question, but has an offer sheet ever worked?
i truly cannot recall where the team that put in an offer sheet came away from the trade as the winner
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05-19-2015, 12:43 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by handgroen
honest question, but has an offer sheet ever worked?
i truly cannot recall where the team that put in an offer sheet came away from the trade as the winner
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Penner and Pronger (from Hartford to St. Louis I think)are 2 that come to mind.
The Pronger one was weird though because they ended up negotiating on the compensation. It wasn't straight up draft picks.
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05-19-2015, 12:43 PM
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First Line Centre
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I would like to see 29 teams tendering offer sheets to McDavid in 3 years' time.
Back to topic, I think Hamilton will be a good offer sheet candidate this year. Realistically, assuming we can sign him in the 5.5 to 7.3 range (that's 1 first, 1 second, and 1 third round pick), what are the odds that we can find a player of Hamilton's caliber out of those 3 picks?
A question, will all the picks have to be given away on the same draft year?
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