Jake Allen to Philly

[Da_Chief]

To Philly: Jake Allen
To Minny: Ville Pokka, Cal 2nd 2016, Tor 2nd 2016

Allen has starters potential and the price was fair so pulled the trigger.
Quick deal.

[simmer2]

Deal favours Philly.

Pokka is a good prospect but expected more for a solid backup and potential #1.

[Da_Chief]

It'd be something if he can become a backup or a starter since he's a defenceman.

[DropIt]

I dont think he implied Pokka was a goalie. .
Anyways, I agree. Great trade for Philly Iv think, especially with how far along Allen is, he could start by this year.

[TurdFerguson]

I think the declining value of goalies in the league (aside from top 3-4 guys) has been pretty interesting to watch. The price of a starter (or a young stud like Allan) used to be insane. Now, a starter isn't really that hard to come by (I can think of 3 or 4 on block right now).

Likely reflective of the 1a/1b scenario we see a lot in the NHL. While there are a small number of elite guys, the gap between average and good goalies isn't very big anymore.

[Da_Chief]

Read it wrong, too early in the morning.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

I think the declining value of goalies in the league (aside from top 3-4 guys) has been pretty interesting to watch. The price of a starter (or a young stud like Allan) used to be insane. Now, a starter isn't really that hard to come by (I can think of 3 or 4 on block right now).

Likely reflective of the 1a/1b scenario we see a lot in the NHL. While there are a small number of elite guys, the gap between average and good goalies isn't very big anymore.

I agree. I thought it was nuts when Sharks traded Gibson for G. Reinhart but you're right the value of goalies has come down.

It also helps that team like yours is content with a guy like Bernier cuz he was great in the sim. Some teams just don't want to pay up, last year Edmonton fell from like 4th in the west to outta the playoffs when Nabakov retired. He didn't want to pay the price to bring in a decent rated goalie and cost him a playoff spot.

[devo22]

I agree that the deal looks good for Philly. That being said, Pokka has a lot of talent and if he fulfills his potrntial, then that's a nice deal for Minnesota. Especially since they have another couple of young talented goalies.

[JiriHrdina]

Allen was the asset I've had the longest in the CPHL. I've had this guy for over 6 years.
This was the original trade:

Team: Minnesota Wild
- Yandle, Keith (D) AHL
- 2011 3rd Round Draft Choice (min)

Team: New York Rangers
- Clutterbuck, Cal (RW) AHL
- Allen, Jake (G) ECHL

Not a great one from me.

Anyways here's my take.

It could end up being a great deal for the Flyers. Lord knows I've traded goalies too soon in the past (Bishop and Rinne naming two). However, goalies and their value are very tricky. Certainly having to carry 4 on my main roster really was going to be challenging in terms of being able to have enough flexibility elsewhere. Allen is the closest to being a #1, but I think he has the lowest ceiling compared to the other two guys I have. So that's in part why I dealt him instead.

I think he could still be in a situation where he splits time with Elliott next season which hurts his value.

So there is some management of risk here, while dealing from a position of depth. But if he sets the world on fire this year, it will not look great for me.

The market was surprisingly soft for these goalies. The offers I received, for the most part, not representative of the value - and I'm a little surprised teams with no long-term solution in net didn't take a more serious run (this isn't a comment towards you Simmer as your offer was competitive).

Anyways I like Pokka a lot. I drafted him and this is the second time I've traded to get him back. At least one of the 2nds should be high, and those are good chips to use elsewhere.

I think given the uncertainty on goalie value and other factors - it is pretty fair.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

I think the declining value of goalies in the league (aside from top 3-4 guys) has been pretty interesting to watch. The price of a starter (or a young stud like Allan) used to be insane. Now, a starter isn't really that hard to come by (I can think of 3 or 4 on block right now).

Likely reflective of the 1a/1b scenario we see a lot in the NHL. While there are a small number of elite guys, the gap between average and good goalies isn't very big anymore.

Yeah it is quite interesting. My projections on Allen are exactly that - I think he will end up being a middle-of-the-pack #1. So I chose to keep the other two guys who I feel have more "elite #1" potential.

Will be an interesting deal to look back on.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I agree. I thought it was nuts when Sharks traded Gibson for G. Reinhart but you're right the value of goalies has come down.

Reinhart was a recent 4th overall pick, so I'm not sure how I sold low on that one. I know a few people have some different expectations but looking at the facts, I traded Gibson for a recent 4th overall. That wasn't low value.

Now, stealing Neuvirth for a 2nd, that was robbery.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Drury18

Reinhart was a recent 4th overall pick, so I'm not sure how I sold low on that one. I know a few people have some different expectations but looking at the facts, I traded Gibson for a recent 4th overall. That wasn't low value.

Now, stealing Neuvirth for a 2nd, that was robbery.

The only thing I can say is a didn't get an offer for Gibson that was anywhere as good as Griffin Reinhart.
I find it funny when people hate a deal, yet no one offers up anything remotely close to what I paid.

[Swayze11]

Pokka is a stud goalie prospect... great move Minny.

[JonDuke]

I don't know what the values were before, but I've had a decent amount of interest in DD.
Surprisingly though, the best deals have come from the East, when I assumed, because of the lower average ratings of goalies, demand would be higher from the West.

[TurdFerguson]

It's because the west is smarter