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CaptainCrunch · 04-01-2015, 02:44 PM

Very interesting story. Sounds like the two sons had used their mothers car with diplomatic plates to do a drug rip off. One son was killed in the ensuing shootout the other has been charged with felony murder.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canadia...ting-1.3017372

polak · 04-01-2015, 02:50 PM

Spoiled kids wanted to play gangster.

OMG!WTF! · 04-01-2015, 03:30 PM

Felony murder is the strangest concept. I wonder what they will do with a youth suspect in Florida. Not going to be good.

CaptainCrunch · 04-01-2015, 03:44 PM

At the very least no death penalty.

But mandatory life without parole seems to be the norm.

He might be offered a plea deal. there's a horrible story of a kid in a similar situation, he was offered a 38 month sentence, but his uncle told him to fight it in court and when he was found guilty the judge had a choice of death or life without parole and took the lesser of two evils.

I would expect that there might be some pressure to reach a deal because of who his mother is.

Daradon · 04-01-2015, 03:49 PM

I was surprised we had a consul to Florida, seemed kinda like a puff position, but I guess we do a significant amount of trade with that one state. It is one of the biggest states in the US, so makes sense.

http://can-am.gc.ca/miami/offices-bu....aspx?lang=eng

Have to agree with the initial assessment of spoiled kids, was the same thing I was thinking when I heard the news. Show up in mommy's car with the official plates. Jeez you hear stories of diplomats abusing their power all the time (though in fairness, maybe much of that is also Hollywood perception) one can only imagine how some of their kids behave while in those countries.

However, it's early in the news cycle for this story so I'll wait for more information before I rabble too much.

CaptainCrunch · 04-01-2015, 03:54 PM

I'm guessing that they thought that the police would give pause to pulling over a car with diplomatic plates. I wonder if she's going to get in trouble for lending a car with diplomatic plates to her teenage sons?

Daradon · 04-01-2015, 03:59 PM

Makes sense. Too bad that was the smartest part of their plan...

Hemi-Cuda · 04-01-2015, 04:03 PM

They must have watched too much Lethal Weapon 2 as kids

RougeUnderoos · 04-01-2015, 04:13 PM

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I'm guessing that they thought that the police would give pause to pulling over a car with diplomatic plates.

I don't know, I think you might be giving these dummies a little too much credit.

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I wonder if she's going to get in trouble for lending a car with diplomatic plates to her teenage sons?

A few seconds on the google tells me that anyone under the age of 19 is considered a "member of the family forming part of the household". I would imagine that means they can drive the car (though that's just a guess). The kids are supposed to be in school full time though, and I have my suspicions that these fellas had a pretty loose interpretation of "full time", considering what they were apparently up to.

llwhiteoutll · 04-01-2015, 04:14 PM

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I have my suspicions that these fellas had a pretty loose interpretation of "full time", considering what they were apparently up to.

Well the good news is that they don't need to worry about truancy now.

afc wimbledon · 04-01-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Daradon

I was surprised we had a consul to Florida, seemed kinda like a puff position, but I guess we do a significant amount of trade with that one state. It is one of the biggest states in the US, so makes sense.

http://can-am.gc.ca/miami/offices-bu....aspx?lang=eng

Have to agree with the initial assessment of spoiled kids, was the same thing I was thinking when I heard the news. Show up in mommy's car with the official plates. Jeez you hear stories of diplomats abusing their power all the time (though in fairness, maybe much of that is also Hollywood perception) one can only imagine how some of their kids behave while in those countries.

However, it's e early in the news cycle for this story so I'll wait for more information before I rabble too much.

I believe the Florida consul covers a big chunk of the Caribbean as well, the smaller islands that don't warrant their own embassies.
My mates wife was due for a posting in Miami but choose New York instead as she would have been of flying around the islands three weeks put of the month, which sounds great but they had a couple of young kids, as it was he got to be a kept man in a lower east side apartment in New York for two years!

afc wimbledon · 04-02-2015, 05:02 AM

It would appear the kid had a pre existing drug problem and was attempting to sell two pounds of bud, I assume Canadian bud as it is a sight better and cheaper than the states but it does beg the question did the kid use his mums diplomatic status to get the weed into the states?

Incredibly stupid of the mother to take her black kid with a drug problem down there.

Ducay · 04-02-2015, 07:55 AM

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Incredibly stupid of the mother to take her black kid with a drug problem down there.

Oh come on, you don't even try to vet your own comments before you post, do you? I can't tell if you're just a troll, just a racist, or both?

afc wimbledon · 04-02-2015, 08:02 AM

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Oh come on, you don't even try to vet your own comments before you post, do you? I can't tell if you're just a troll, just a racist, or both?

Actually neither, i am engaged to a creole woman from Louisiana.
The southern states of the US are grim for any person of colour and kids brought up here have none of the 'normal' street sense that a kid brought up in the area would have.

The fact the kid already had a drug problem makes the choice to take him there insane. Is there some part of this comment you think is wrong?

llwhiteoutll · 04-02-2015, 08:10 AM

Apparently now facing more charges relating to threats against a detective while he was in custody. Hopefully the Canadian government has the sense to leave this kid in the US for the duration of his sentence.

Ducay · 04-02-2015, 08:48 AM

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Actually neither, i am engaged to a creole woman from Louisiana.
The southern states of the US are grim for any person of colour and kids brought up here have none of the 'normal' street sense that a kid brought up in the area would have.

The fact the kid already had a drug problem makes the choice to take him there insane. Is there some part of this comment you think is wrong?

"I'm not racist, my best friend is black!"

You're right, Southern states are just too vicious for a coloured person, that parent should have known better! "Those people" that are born and brought up down there know their place and have great street smarts for things like gangs and drugs and shootouts. A good Canadian black man should have known not to be irresponsible and bring his kids down there. And taking someone with an addition down there? Well clearly he was just asking to get into a murderous situation, being black and all. He should have known those ex-slavery states are no place for a coloured person.

afc wimbledon · 04-02-2015, 12:35 PM

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"I'm not racist, my best friend is black!"

You're right, Southern states are just too vicious for a coloured person, that parent should have known better! "Those people" that are born and brought up down there know their place and have great street smarts for things like gangs and drugs and shootouts. A good Canadian black man should have known not to be irresponsible and bring his kids down there. And taking someone with an addition down there? Well clearly he was just asking to get into a murderous situation, being black and all. He should have known those ex-slavery states are no place for a coloured person.

Actually the kids father, who is coloured, objected to them going as he knew full well it is not safe for a person of colour, he has said he tried to warn them as to how dangerous it could be.
I'm not sure what it is your objecting to, the idea the southern U.S. is unsafe for African Americans or people of colour is hardly news.

Are you suggesting it was a good idea to take these kids down there?

Stealth22 · 04-02-2015, 01:40 PM

I am not an expert, nor am I saying that this kid should walk. But this is more a curiosity question if anyone knows.

Could the kid's lawyers claim that he is protected by diplomatic immunity? Or do I watch too much TV? (For those who watch Blue Bloods, there was an episode on that topic in a prior season)

afc wimbledon · 04-02-2015, 02:10 PM

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I am not an expert, nor am I saying that this kid should walk. But this is more a curiosity question if anyone knows.

Could the kid's lawyers claim that he is protected by diplomatic immunity? Or do I watch too much TV? (For those who watch Blue Bloods, there was an episode on that topic in a prior season)

Diplomatic immunity is conferred by the Canadian government and can be taken away as well, even after the crime, it's not a right even for a diplomat, I suspect Canada doesn't allow our people to hide behind it for regular crimes, most western countries don't.
I can't see us extending it to the kid but they may imply the threat of it to get the death penalty off the table.

Peanut · 04-02-2015, 02:22 PM

Wait, so the 15 year old is being charged with two counts of felony murder, the murdered being his brother and his brothers acquaintance, because he was outside sitting in the car when this all went down? And the actual murderer, who was inside and pulled the trigger, ran away to a gas station and was subsequently caught and is also being charged with felony murder? That makes no sense.