Brodie and Giordano make the "don't bet on these guys" list

[Bingo]

No real surprise, and hard to argue that they're both trending harder than even Flames fans would buy, but interesting nonetheless.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/m...rated-players/

[N-E-B]

Brodie maybe, but Gio? No way.

[TheDebaser]

I think the bigger threat is that they'll get worn out as the year moves forward. Part of me wonders whether or not the return of Raymond and Colborne as well as continued progression from Gaudreau will help these guys maintain their pace, even if they do run into a spell of bad luck.

[djsFlames]

Haters gonna overrate.

[Cflames_12.5]

More useless advance stats. I like it keep the bulletin board material coming. It only fans the Flames.

[Kaine]

Good, media and other teams especially can continue to have that mindset when playing or analyzing the Flames. It has worked well for them thus far this season.

[Locke]

Whats it going to take to start believing in these guys? We're more than a quarter of the way through the season and they've picked up exactly where they left off last season.

[getbak]

[Street Pharmacist]

How to maximize clickbait? Put Maple Leafs and overrated in the headline and watch the page views accumulate.

Nothing earth shattering. Unsustainable shooting percentages. Maybe won't tend down this year, but will go down over the long term. What's interesting is that Gio's actual shooting percentage is lower than his norm so he should score more. However, his OISH% (shooting percentage of his team while he's on the ice) is high so he'll get less assists.

[Huntingwhale]

All I see when I open that page are words like PDO, advanced and a bunch of percentages that make no sense to me. F that. I'll watch games with my own eyes and formulate judgement that way, instead of following the hot new advanced stats which seem to be the rage these days.

[sa226]

The annoyance with advanced stats grows with each new article like this and that is hardly a revelation.

I guess what bugs me is that its even worthy of a story. Forget the Flames for a second. Tarasenko is one of the nice stories this year. An exciting young guy who scores highlight reel goals, and is really driving the Blues' offence. Why do they have to write a bit on his unsustainable pace? It seems like unnecessary debbie downerism.

Writing a story about overrated players is nothing new (Phaneuf). But using detailed stats to back it up is.

How many people would say that Tarasenko, Brodie and Girodano fit the traditional version of "overrated"? Not too many in my estimation. This article says they are overrated. That grinds my gears.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Considering how good the pairing has been, it's almost impossible not for them to regress in "results" going forward. The Flames as a whole have overachieved in shooting percentage (they shouldn't really be an elite scoring team), so it's no surprise to me that Gio and Brodie have been the beneficiary of that.

My take is that the pairing will continue to dominate because there is no reason to suggest their "actual" play is not derived from skill. That wont change. The insanely great results that they have been getting I would expect to slow down because it's at a near impossible level to sustain.

Nothing wrong with that. The way the article was written was very misleading and came to the wrong conclusion. Neither player is overrated, they just wont get as many goals/assists going forward that their early season rates would suggest. But I wouldn't need to review a bunch of "fancy stats" to get there... a cursory review of their prior track records would show they aren't true talent level point per game players (like no defensemen are). They aren't really leaping much to suggest that.

[Street Pharmacist]

Overrated? Come on. Who expects Giordano to go PPG for the rest of the year? No one

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Overrated? Come on. Who expects Giordano to go PPG for the rest of the year? No one

Speak for yourself, pal. Art Ross or bust.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Locke

Whats it going to take to start believing in these guys? We're more than a quarter of the way through the season and they've picked up exactly where they left off last season.

We've passed over the one-third mark of the season, actually.

Over a third of the season and the miserable stats geeks are still claiming it's all some mirage? When does is cease to be, exactly?

Giordano has 75 points in 92 games since October 2013. And a +29 rating. Against top opposition, every night.

That's over a full season sample size.

So why is he 'overrated'? I think it all goes back to same old "well it's Calgary". Which is quickly becoming the dumbest excuse ever, because the team clearly is no longer bad, and no longer irrelevant. Times are changing, new top players are emerging, as is inevitable in any league. These ignorant buffoons need to get with the times.

Great players play even on rebuilding teams.
Derp.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Overrated? Come on. Who expects Giordano to go PPG for the rest of the year? No one

Everyone knows that. But articles like this only serve to make the author think he's some sort of genius when he makes claims like that and "backs them up" with advanced stats. No #### a defenceman likely isn't going to be a PPG game over the course of a season. I don't need advanced stats to tell me that. I like to watch players and enjoy the talent they display. I don't need to be explained what I am or aren't seeing. Advanced stats just bum me and everyone else out.

And why are they even called advanced stats? They are stats, just like all the others.

[polak]

Advance stats are the most annoying thing to happen to Hockey.

All of the sudden anyone who can read a stats line thinks they're an expert and not only do they think they're an expert, they live and die on what these advance stats read and will not accept any sort of explanation for the variances.

I hate them. Every time I read the word Corsi, PDO or Fenwick I skip the post.

[troutman]

"Advanced" is a Weasel Word.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WeaselWords

Weasel Words are about words or phrases that imply more than they actually mean. Taken at face value, they don't say much at all, or are just not impressive. However, the way they're used imply there's substance to them, that they mean something.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by troutman

"Advanced" is a Weasel Word.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WeaselWords

Weasel Words are about words or phrases that imply more than they actually mean. Taken at face value, they don't say much at all, or are just not impressive. However, the way they're used imply there's substance to them, that they mean something.

Couldn't agree more.

This is likely my 100th part on the subject, but how is "corsi" more advanced than "shots"? It's actually less advanced. Shots as we use them are actually all shot attempts that hit the net excluding posts, or in other words, all shot attempts that would've gone in without a goalie or did go in." corsi is simply shot attempts.
How is adding shooting percentage and save percentage together at all advanced?

[Resolute 14]

Except you didn't skip the post, polak. You chose to make an explicit point of whining about it. Next time, do what you claim to do and just skip by it.