Thankfully our drafting has improved recently.

[Caged Great]

I was looking at our draft picks recently, and noticed that there wasn't a whole lot of good goal scorers on the list. I went through back to 1994, 20 years of drafting, and the Flames only have had five of their picks crack the 100 goal plateau. 5. Jarrett Stoll leads the pack with 134. The others are Dion, Kobasew, Lombardi, and Chris Clark. Going back to 88, only 2 picks have scored 200+ (Reichel and Stillman)

That is really ugly.

[Caged Great]

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005090.html

[dobbles]

that list is pretty crazy. last year monahan scored 22 goals for you guys. if you total the career goals scored for all other players you have drafted from 2008-2013 you only get 26 goals....

[nik-]

It's best not to look back ... you'll only see horrors there

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I was looking at our draft picks recently, and noticed that there wasn't a whole lot of good goal scorers on the list. I went through back to 1994, 20 years of drafting, and the Flames only have had five of their picks crack the 100 goal plateau. 5. Jarrett Stoll leads the pack with 134. The others are Dion, Kobasew, Lombardi, and Chris Clark. Going back to 88, only 2 picks have scored 200+ (Reichel and Stillman)

That is really ugly.

how about David Moss?

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

how about David Moss?

Moss only has 74 career goals.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Moss only has 74 career goals.

weird, i was sure he had a few 20-goal seasons.... oh wells. my bad, carry on.

[Enoch Root]

total number of players drafted in the last 10 years (2004 through 2013) that have scored 100 goals:

zero

(soon likely to be corrected by several candidates, thankfully)

[Table 5]

I'm pretty sure if just went off some random THN or NHL central scouting list every year without putting any thought into it, we'd be better off than we had been over the last two decades. It takes real effort to suck this bad for so long.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah it is a good thing, although none of them have really panned out at the NHL level yet.

Put this in another thread but this is the current Flames Depth Chart of player 25 and under (not including some of the later round picks).

The Under 25 depth chart is good:

Gaudreau Bennett Poirier
Baertschi Monahan Colborne
Klimchuk Backlund Reinhart
Agostino Granlund Knight
Ferland Arnold Smith
Byron Jankowski Hanowski
BVB

Brodie Wotherspoon
Sieloff Kulak
Culkin Cundari
Kanzig Hickey

Ortio
Gilles
McDonald

Pretty impressive depth, especially in the forward ranks. RW and top pairing d-men talent is lacking but overall they are pretty good. Especially considering we will likely add more youth via trades this season, and will have a high pick in the 2015 draft.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Not that the Flames drafting has been good by any stretch but when looking at it objectively the Flames were one of the better teams in the NHL from 2005-2009, not really getting good draft positions. The "bust" rate for players drafted in the late first round is pretty high and getting a player who scores 200 goals in the NHL is pretty rare. Going to the 2001 NHL entry draft (players who are 31-32 now) there have been five players who have scored 200 goals and only 3 more who have scored 150 or more. Realistically in the entire draft there are 8 players who will or may score 200 goals over the course of their career. The year 2000 - 4; 1999 - 5; 1998 - 12; 1997 - 6; 1996 - 6.

The Flames have historically been poor drafters, but there are unrealistic expectations of greatness that many fans seem to hold while saying, 'if only we picked...'

[Komskies]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I'm pretty sure if just went off some random THN or NHL central scouting list every year without putting any thought into it, we'd be better off than we had been over the last two decades. It takes real effort to suck this bad for so long.

Exactly. I almost guarantee we could have just taken the highest ranking CHL player remaining based on their previous season's point totals and fared way better than we actually have. Even throwing darts at a sheet of paper probably would have given us better results over the last 20 years. Or pulling names out of a hat.

Who knows though, maybe our drafting has been excellent over the last 20 years and we've just done a #### job in developing our guys properly.

[mrdonkey]

Seems a bit early to be praising the drafting, when no Flames draft pick has shown much, if anything, at the NHL level yet. That's not a knock on Sven or Brodie or Johnny, or even Backlund, but they still have a lot left to prove before we can make the claim that the Flames have even stepped up to average in that category.

[Enoch Root]

by the way, over the same 10 year period, Detroit has 1 pick (Franzen in 2004) with 100 goals

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

by the way, over the same 10 year period, Detroit has 1 pick (Franzen in 2004) with 100 goals

But...but....Datsyuk and Zetterberg!11!!!

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Seems a bit early to be praising the drafting, when no Flames draft pick has shown much, if anything, at the NHL level yet. That's not a knock on Sven or Brodie or Johnny, or even Backlund, but they still have a lot left to prove before we can make the claim that the Flames have even stepped up to average in that category.

What is "average", though?

[Tyler]

Team is good and picks at the bottom in the draft = our drafting sucks
Team sucks and picks at the top in the draft = our drafting is good

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by DOOM

But...but....Datsyuk and Zetterberg!11!!!

Those picks still won them a cup though, so they can't be discounted.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

by the way, over the same 10 year period, Detroit has 1 pick (Franzen in 2004) with 100 goals

Which is probably why they won't win one in the foreseeable future. That's the thing with drafting... you're not going to win a Cup unless you hit a few homeruns in the draft. There's no other successful way of going about building a Cup winner.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Team is good and picks at the bottom in the draft = our drafting sucks
Team sucks and picks at the top in the draft = our drafting is good

I always find it funny when I see comments like "so glad we are no longer picking guys like Pelech, Chucko and Nemisz and we are now smarter and picking guys like Monahan and Bennett"

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Team is good and picks at the bottom in the draft = our drafting sucks
Team sucks and picks at the top in the draft = our drafting is good

How many playoff rounds did the Flames win in the era when they were good?