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Old 04-15-2014, 10:00 AM   #1
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This instant replay stuff is an absolute joke. It seriously could not be going worse for baseball right now. It's turning a beautiful game played by people and judged by people into a micro-managed ****show with delay after delay after delay.

Been a huge baseball fan for over 20 years. I don't even have a favourite team, I just love the sport. And this is ruining the sport.

WTF is wrong with MLB? Could they not have done a AAA trial like the NHL does with the AHL? How short-sighted are they?

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Old 04-15-2014, 10:03 AM   #2
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I like it.
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:05 AM   #3
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When they implemented this I thought it was going to be used for clear cut blown calls where it is easy to see that they blew the call. The problem is that they are slowing the game down by reviewing close calls.

The solution is quite simple and they can leave the results as Confirmed, Overturned and Inconclusive. All they need to do is hire some staff to watch the television feeds for each game and have the person watch the replays shown. If after 30 seconds they can't either confirm or overturn then use the result on the field.
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I think they need to get rid of the 30 seconds where the manager comes out and kills time while they look to see if they should challenge.

If you think it's wrong, challenge it. None of this delay so they can look upstairs BS.
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:09 AM   #5
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I think they need to get rid of the 30 seconds where the manager comes out and kills time while they look to see if they should challenge.

If you think it's wrong, challenge it. None of this delay so they can look upstairs BS.
This is what I am referring too above where no reviewing close calls. It should be clear from the managers perspective that it was a blown call.
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:13 AM   #6
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Only plays it should be allowed on are catch/trap and home run/double/foul - that's it. The rest is a can of worms.

The delays...delays...delays...longest average game time since 2000.
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:28 AM   #7
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I like the review it has shown how close these plays really are and how tough the job of an ump really is. If a guy watching a slow motion replay can't find conclusive evidence to overturn then hats off to that ump for making a great call!
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Disputed runs should always be reviewed, no matter if your challenges are used up.
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:42 AM   #9
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Can you imagine the NHL reviewing offside, icing, and penalty calls?

And having the coach walk on the ice to waste time until their video guy gives them the thumbs up or down?
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:52 AM   #10
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Can you imagine the NHL reviewing offside, icing, and penalty calls?

And having the coach walk on the ice to waste time until their video guy gives them the thumbs up or down?
We are one month in to the new process. I am sure it will take time to refine as well. NFL wasn't that smooth of a transition and coaches still aren't aware what can and can't be challenged.
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Old 04-15-2014, 10:55 AM   #11
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I do like it.

It's not like a manager can challenge any play he wants. You get ONE challenge per game.

If you win the challenge you get a second. That's it.

Is it really slowing the games down that much? It's not used for balls and strikes. But out/safe calls, fair/foul calls, and home runs.

I fully subscribe in the "get it right" philosophy.

I do think MLB would be better served with an NHL style war room. Where reviewers can start to review close plays before a challege officially comes in. It would cut down on time, and the crew chief need only be told the out come of the review.

But all in all, I do think this is the way to go.
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I do like it.

It's not like a manager can challenge any play he wants. You get ONE challenge per game.
Ya, and unlimited times to saunter out and let your AV nerd in the back check the replay.
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I hope they get it refined/ right. I don't understand why they havent gone to technology for calling balls and strikes...
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Ya, and unlimited times to saunter out and let your AV nerd in the back check the replay.
That really is the problem, and it makes for goofy, awkward moments. They have to limit that time to about 5-10 seconds. Enough time for the manager to use his naked eye, or the player to say "I was safe, challenge", but not enough time to consult the av guy.
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They need a 10-15 second challenge window after the play.

In the NFL it works because the team opposite the challenge is trying to get the play off fast and the challenging team must make a fast decision.

And all scoring plays should be reviewed regardless of challenges
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Old 04-15-2014, 01:49 PM   #16
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Theres no instant replay in baseball! Or is that crying? I always get them mixed up.
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Old 04-15-2014, 01:50 PM   #17
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I like the idea, dislike the execution of it. Too many managers wasting time while they review it upstairs. This happens a few times a game, even though an actual challenge only seems to happen every couple of games.

Baseball just doesn't need anything making the game slower then it already is.
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The new catch/transfer rule is the bigger issue that needs to be addressed this year.

To be legitimate, MLB needs instant replay and they'll refine the process just like hockey has. Baseball is slow and getting slower but I find blown calls impacting the result more frustrating than waiting 30 seconds for the AV guy.
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Old 04-15-2014, 03:43 PM   #19
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Ya, and unlimited times to saunter out and let your AV nerd in the back check the replay.
Well the manager stalling while waiting for the AV guy to give a signal is a separate issue from replay itself.

I agree that the manager shouldn't be able to have the AV guy check. There should be some sort of time limit.
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Well the manager stalling while waiting for the AV guy to give a signal is a separate issue from replay itself.

I agree that the manager shouldn't be able to have the AV guy check. There should be some sort of time limit.
Yup, every time an idiot manager walks onto the field to complain about a call it should result in an automatic review. The manager gets one failed review. He complains about a call after that, his team gets an automatic out.
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