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Jay Random · 11-19-2014, 01:20 AM

Now that the Flames have played their 20th game of the year, I thought I'd try something a bit different.

It's been nice to see the team so high up in the league-wide standings (6th tonight! Yeah baby!

), but part of that comes from having played a lot of games early. Most teams have games in hand. I thought I'd take the different number of games played out of the picture, and look at each team's record after its 20th game. So I took a few minutes to whomp up a spreadsheet.

So far, eight teams have played their 20th game of the season. Seven played those games last night. San Jose played theirs on the 16th (and have since lost to Buffalo). Here are the results for those eight:

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Team      Game 20   W   L  OT   P  ROW   GF  GA Diff   Home   Away    Own Div Vs East Vs West
Pittsburgh   11/24  14   4   2  30  12    72  46   26   6-2-1  8-2-1   6-0-1   9-3-2   5-1-0
Montreal     11/18  14   5   1  29   10   55  51    4   8-3-0  6-2-1   6-1-0   10-2-0  4-3-1
Tampa Bay    11/18  13   5   2  28   12   73  54   19   7-2-1  6-3-1   3-0-1   8-2-1   5-3-1
Nashville    11/22  13   5   2  28   11   57  42   15   7-1-1  6-4-1   6-2-1   3-2-0   10-3-2
NY Islanders 11/22  14   6   0  28   10   68  57   11   6-2-0  8-4-0   5-1-0   8-3-0   6-3-0

St. Louis    11/22  13   6   1  27   11   53  41   12   8-3-0  5-3-1   4-1-0   6-3-0   7-3-1
Vancouver    11/20  13   6   1  27   11   61  60    1   5-3-1  8-3-0   7-2-1   4-1-0   9-5-1
Anaheim      11/18  11   4   5  27    9   54  50    4   5-2-3  6-2-2   1-1-4   5-2-1   6-2-4
CALGARY      11/18  12   6   2  26   10   63  53   10   5-2-2  7-4-0   3-1-0   5-4-2   7-2-0
Los Angeles  11/20  11   5   4  26   10   53  44    9   10-2-1 1-3-3   3-1-2   4-3-2   7-2-2

Detroit      11/22  10   5   5  25   10   55  49    6   6-2-2  4-3-3   3-3-4   7-4-5   3-1-0
Chicago      11/22  12   7   1  25   9    62  40   22   7-3-1  5-4-0   3-3-0   6-3-0   6-4-1
Minnesota    11/24  12   8   0  24  11    58  44   14   7-1-0  5-7-0   5-0-0   5-6-0   7-2-0
Boston       11/18  12   8   0  24   11   53  49    4   8-4-0  4-4-0   6-4-0   9-6-0   3-2-0
Winnipeg     11/18  10   7   3  23    8   40  43   -3   4-3-1  6-4-2   3-2-1   6-2-2   4-5-1

Toronto      11/20  10   8   2  22   10   63  62    1   6-6-0  4-2-2   4-4-1   8-6-1   2-2-1
San Jose     11/16  10   8   2  22    8   56  53    3   2-3-0  8-5-2   2-1-0   5-6-1   5-2-1
Ottawa       11/24   9   7   4  22   8    55  54    1   5-2-3  4-5-1   3-3-0   5-3-1   4-4-3
NY Rangers   11/23   9   7   4  22   8    57  58   -1   7-4-3  2-3-1   4-2-1   6-6-1   3-1-3
Florida      11/25   8   6   6  22   7    42  51   -9   4-4-1  4-2-5   1-1-2   3-3-4   5-3-2

Washington   11/22   9   8   3  21   8    56  54    2   4-4-3  5-4-0   3-1-0   5-4-1   4-4-2
New Jersey   11/21   9   9   2  20    8   49  56   -7   3-3-2  6-6-0   3-2-1   6-4-1   3-5-1
Philadelphia 11/24   8   9   3  19   8    57  61   -4   6-3-2  2-6-1   2-3-1   4-7-1   4-2-1
Arizona      11/20   8  10   2  18    7   49  62  -13   4-4-1  4-6-1   5-1-0   3-4-1   5-6-1
Dallas       11/20   7   9   4  18    6   56  68  -12   2-5-4  5-4-0   0-5-2   3-2-1   4-7-3

Colorado     11/20   6   9   5  17    4   49  64  -15   3-4-2  3-5-3   0-2-2   5-5-2   1-4-3
Carolina     11/22   6  11   3  15    6   48  62  -14   4-3-1  2-8-2   2-2-2   2-3-3   4-8-0
Edmonton     11/21   6  12   2  14    6   48  67  -19   4-7-1  2-5-1   0-7-1   6-3-1   0-9-1
Columbus     11/22   6  12   2  14    6   49  72  -23   3-6-1  3-6-1   2-4-1   3-9-2   3-3-0
Buffalo      11/18   5  13   2  12    3   34  69  -35   3-6-2  2-7-0   2-3-2   3-6-2   2-7-0

The Flames are middle of the pack, but to be fair, that's a pretty good pack – only one really bad team out of the 8. Second best goal differential of the bunch.

I note that the Sharks had a truly brutal schedule to start the year – 15 of their first 20 on the road. They should be due to move up in the standings when they get some home games in.

If anybody is interested, I can come back and update this post to add each team as they play their 20th game, until all 30 are in.

Update, Nov. 20: Six more teams have played their 20th game. By calgarygeologist's request, I have added each team's record vs. opponents in its own division, and vs. the Eastern and Western Conferences. (I haven't broken down all four divisions, however.)

No thanks to nhl.com's webgoblins, however. Several of the teams that hit 20 GP tonight have gibbled divisional standings on the NHL website. If you add up their divisional records, you get only 19 games. In one case, the divisional records add up correctly but the conference records don't. So I had to look at each team's game results and add them up by hand. Sheesh.

Calgary 5th of 14 so far. (They win the second tie-breaker with L.A., having a better goal differential.)

Update, Nov. 21: Added New Jersey and Edmonton. Calgary 5th of 16.

In breaking news which I’m sure you have never heard before, Edmonton Is No Good.

Update, Nov. 22: Added 7 more teams. Calgary 8th of 23.

Nov. 23: Calgary 8th of 25.

Nov. 27: Sorry for the delay; busy with other things last night. All 30 teams are in now, with Calgary 9th, Pittsburgh (not Montreal) 1st, and Edmonton no good.

handgroen · 11-19-2014, 01:36 AM

top 2 teams on that list want no part of the flames

EldrickOnIce · 11-19-2014, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by handgroen

top 2 teams on that list want no part of the flames

Why Tampa?

Resolute 14 · 11-19-2014, 07:37 AM

No kidding. Tampa's already beaten us twice.

albertGQ · 11-19-2014, 07:50 AM

Does anyone know our record after 20 games last season?

Jay Random · 11-19-2014, 07:54 AM

6-11-3, counting off Wikipedia's summary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14..._Flames_season

They went 5-5-2 in October, then had a horrible stretch in November with Berra in goal (and one game by MacDonald).

(Having a Swiss goalie can go either way for you. You could end up with a Hiller, who's as reliable as a Swiss watch, or a Berra, who reminds one more of Swiss cheese.)

getbak · 11-19-2014, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

Does anyone know our record after 20 games last season?

6-11-3. A goal differential of -20. 3-4-2 at home, and 3-7-1 on the road.

Still ahead of the Oilers.

badger89 · 11-19-2014, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by handgroen

top 3 teams on that list want no part of the flames

fyp

Jay Random · 11-19-2014, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by badger89

fyp

Actually, the Ducks want part of the Flames. They want the part that they played against in the first two periods last night.

Just as long as the other part never shows up.

Resolute 14 · 11-19-2014, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

6-11-3, counting off Wikipedia's summary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14..._Flames_season

They went 5-5-2 in October, then had a horrible stretch in November with Berra in goal (and one game by MacDonald).

(Having a Swiss goalie can go either way for you. You could end up with a Hiller, who's as reliable as a Swiss watch, or a Berra, who reminds one more of Swiss cheese.)

And no Gio.

#-3 · 11-19-2014, 10:32 AM

Why not just look at point percentage?

That has Calgary at 9th in the league.
5th in the West
3rd in the Div.

Sorry for the formatting nightmare, but don't have time to make it look better

1 Pit79%
2 Mtl73%
3 Nas72%
4 TB70%
5 Stl69%
6 Ana68%
7 Van67%
8 NYI67%
9 Cgy65%
10 Det64%
11 LA63%
12 Bos60%
13 Min59%
14 Otw59%
15 Chi58%
16 Win58%
17 Fld53%
18 Was53%
19 Tor53%
20S J52%
21 Nyr50%
22 Phi50%
23 NJ47%
24 Ari47%
25 Col45%
26 Dal42%
27 Car42%
28 Edm39%
29 CBJ36%
30 Buf30%

Jay Random · 11-19-2014, 04:11 PM

That also works. But it leaves out informative bits like home/road records (or the fact mentioned above, that SJ played 15 of its first 20 on the road).

It's practically a cliche among hockey people that you need to get 20 games into a season before you can tell what a team has really got, so I thought I would choose that figure and see if anything interesting turned up.

EldrickOnIce · 11-19-2014, 04:18 PM

Peter Maher always said it was in the second quarter of the season when you got to see exactly what you had.
So I guess that begins now...

McG · 11-20-2014, 11:29 AM

I am neutral on the islanders, but I am pleased to see that so far their "bold moves" seem to be paying off.

calgarygeologist · 11-20-2014, 11:34 AM

Any chance of adding some more data such as the records against divisional teams, conference teams and non conference teams?

Jay Random · 11-20-2014, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Any chance of adding some more data such as the records against divisional teams, conference teams and non conference teams?

Can do. Thanks for asking. Will update tonight after all the games are done.

landshark · 11-20-2014, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

I note that the Sharks had a truly brutal schedule to start the year – 15 of their first 20 on the road. They should be due to move up in the standings when they get some home games in.

This is the first time a team has started 15 of the first 20 on the road (16 of 21 until tonight) and it's the only solace we shark fans can find. They'll finally have some time for a few practices - desperately needed. Hopefully it would be enough to give the flames a good game when we finally meet next week. Haven't seen a full game of the flames yet. If the sharks get it together, it should be a great game. If not, I could easily see the sharks chasing after these speedy flames all night.

d_phaneuf · 11-20-2014, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by landshark

This is the first time a team has started 15 of the first 20 on the road (16 of 21 until tonight) and it's the only solace we shark fans can find. They'll finally have some time for a few practices - desperately needed. Hopefully it would be enough to give the flames a good game when we finally meet next week. Haven't seen a full game of the flames yet. If the sharks get it together, it should be a great game. If not, I could easily see the sharks chasing after these speedy flames all night.

was there an issue with arena availbility? or just a weird scheduling quirk

I haven't seen something that tilted to road games since the Olympic year when the Canucks had to be out of the arena for about 5 weeks

Hockey Fan #751 · 11-20-2014, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

Does anyone know our record after 20 games last season?

This is a really good page to compare game-by-game over the last 3 seasons:

http://flames.nhl.com/club/teamseasoncomparison.htm

Hugh Jahrmes · 11-21-2014, 12:19 AM

I'm not too familiar with the Sabres active roster, but I'm assuming at least a few of those guys are in their long term plans. Isn't management worried that the locker room walls will eventually begin to waft the "suck" stink around their upcoming players similar to what happened in edmonton? For two teams who should have been competing for the same spot, to be this far ahead 1/4 through the season.. Downright embarassing