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Old 04-11-2014, 02:44 PM   #1
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle17929504/

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The Conservative government’s tough-on-crime agenda has suffered another major blow at the Supreme Court of Canada. The court blocked the government’s attempt to stop judges from routinely giving extra credit to offenders for time served in jail before sentencing.

The 7-0 ruling continues the losing streak of the Harper government in major cases at the Supreme Court over the past month.

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The court suggested that its rulings were rooted not only in a straightforward interpretation of the Truth in Sentencing Act, but in timeless principles of sentencing. And the rulings were written by a Harper appointee, Justice Andromache Karakatsanis — one of four on the panel of seven judges who heard the cases.
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It was a stupid proposition in the first place. Not really sure how time spent in a provincial jail is any different than in a federal.
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I really really hate how the media reports on Court decisions. Give us a link to the text of the decision. Failing that, at least give us the goddamn name of the case so we can look it up ourselves.

Just worthless. I do not care what you think about what the Court says as a journalist. I want to read what they actually said.

EDIT: More helpfully, CBC did link to the case which confirmed that the title of this thread is wrong. They did not consider the law "illegal", that's not even a thing. Nor did they rule that it was unconstitutional. They simply interpreted the provision in light of the existing law and said that if the intent was to remove credit for pre-trial sentencing the legislature would have to do that expressly.

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Old 04-11-2014, 02:49 PM   #4
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I really really hate how the media reports on Court decisions. Give us a link to the text of the decision. Failing that, at least give us the goddamn name of the case so we can look it up ourselves.

Just worthless. I do not care what you think about what the Court says as a journalist. I want to read what they actually said.
I might be mistaken but I think the SC tends to release their decisions online at some point.
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They always do. CBC linked to it. Here.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...c-summers.html
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Old 04-11-2014, 02:58 PM   #6
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I might be mistaken but I think the SC tends to release their decisions online at some point.
They do, 19Yzerman19's gripe is two fold:

(1) that a journalist should tell you the name of the case in the article, the issue that was decided and if the article is online a link to the SCC decision.

I agree.

It shouldn't be the reader's job to go hunting the story and citing it for the journalist. That's the journalist'a job.

(2) when reporting the facts and issue at hand, the journalist shouldn't be editorializing. There is a time and a ace for editorials. A straight up "the Supreme Court made a ruling…" isn't one. An editorial should be labeled as such and not presented as fact.

I also agree with that.
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Old 04-11-2014, 03:07 PM   #7
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Yes, but particularly when you have a journalist who is not a criminal law specialist trying to editorialize in an area in which they have no expertise. The Supreme Court has plenty of expertise and I'll just take it straight from the horse's mouth - especially when the headnote to a case isn't much longer than the article itself.

Here is the headnote from this case:
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Hardly surprising that SebC would attach himself to a flagrantly incorrect interpretation of the judgment. Anything to push his anti-conservative hatred, after all.
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Hardly surprising that SebC would attach himself to a flagrantly incorrect interpretation of the judgment. Anything to push his anti-conservative hatred, after all.
Hardly surprising that Resolute 14 would post something condescending with no actual substance.
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Holy crap, that's quite the spin job by the G&M. Good call on the shoddy journalism.
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Harper bad. Rabble rabble.
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Hardly surprising that Resolute 14 would post something condescending with no actual substance.
Next time, try posting facts and not spin.
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Next time, try posting facts and not spin.
I posted a Globe and Mail article. What did you contribute?
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It was a stupid proposition in the first place. Not really sure how time spent in a provincial jail is any different than in a federal.
I have worked in both systems and there is a fairly significant difference between doing provincial and federal time.

Most provincial jails operate in an 'open custody' living unit model. This means that corrections officers are physically in the unit with the inmates. Due to safety risks to the officer, the inmates are given very little. They get 1 hour of fresh air, 3 meals a day, a tv and books to read. In addition to this, remanded inmates are not technically 'guilty' so they are not allowed to work or take any kind of meaningful programming.

Federal jails almost the opposite of provincial jails. Officers are behind a 'bubble' and are not normally in the living units with the inmates. Because of this federal inmates are given access to things provincial inmates would not normally have. They can have their own clothes, computers in their cells, playstations, jewelry and in some jails they can even order outside food. Since they are also sentenced they can work during the day.

Just in case anyone was interested in the difference between the systems.

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As I read this trio of decisions, the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court of Canada both interpreted "if the circumstances justify it" in a way that nearly completely frustrates the intent of the legislation. This is a big loss for Harper. I don't think there is any other way to see it.
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Prior to the legislation's enactment, credit for pre-trial custody was frequently given at a rate in excess of 1.5:1. Following the legislation, that is the maximum credit that can be given. Consequently, the legislation achieved its purpose of circumscribing the rate at which credit was given.

Now, an additional purpose of the provision was to also only provide for a rate in excess of 1:1 "if the circumstances justify it". This was probably intended to ensure that in most cases, the rate would be 1:1. These decisions, properly read, suggest that in many cases, a rate of 1.5:1 is appropriate. Consequently, that particular intention on the part of Parliament has been frustrated.

So, it's a loss for Harper in the sense that 1.5:1 credit is still getting handed out; at least until they amend the provision to explicitly provide which circumstances do and don't permit giving credit. But overall, the legislation is performing its intended role. It certainly has not been in any way declared "illegal" or otherwise rejected by the courts.
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