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Old 03-26-2014, 12:59 PM   #1
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The plaintiff in Clark v. Kouba, 2014 BCCA 50, was a marathon runner who had run the Boston Marathon before she was involved in a motor vehicle accident. Prior to the accident, she had also pursued massage therapy, chiropractic care, physical therapy and acupuncture, with incomplete relief due to running‑related injuries.
The plaintiff’s minivan was rear‑ended in a motor vehicle accident that caused minor damage to her vehicle, in the range of $300, and she did not bother to have her vehicle repaired.
Following the accident, the plaintiff completed the Boston Marathon again and obtained her second-best personal marathon time. She also continued to work and did not take any significant amount of time off work other than time for medical appointments and partial days when she left work due to headaches. She made no claim for past wage loss and her superiors testified that they did not notice any change in the plaintiff after the accident.
Included in the trial judge’s award was $100,000 for diminished income earning capacity and more than $28,000 for a yoga club membership for the rest of the plaintiff’s life.
The defendant appealed the $100,000 diminished income earning capacity award on the basis that it was excessive given the fact that the plaintiff was not claiming an award for past income loss. The defendant also appealed the cost of the lifetime yoga club membership.
The BC Court of Appeal upheld the trial judge’s award despite the plaintiff’s pre‑accident medical issues, despite the fact that the plaintiff continued to work after the accident and despite the fact that the plaintiff was able to run the Boston Marathon and obtain her second-best marathon time following the accident.
To me this seems like a crazy settlement.


Are the courts out of touch with "common sense"?
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Old 03-26-2014, 01:12 PM   #2
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Hmm, I'm thinking my daughter ought to sue some people for her injury..... Kidding, obviously.

That is a wild read. Very strange.
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Old 03-26-2014, 01:15 PM   #3
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There was evidence on which the judge could conclude that the respondent’s chronic pain resulted in a substantial possibility that her pain adversely would affect her ability to work. There was an evidentiary link between the medical evidence assessing the respondent’s pain and disability and yoga as treatment. The judge did not error in principle awarding the yoga club membership. There was evidence to support the quantum and little, if any, to counteract it.
So what's crazy about it exactly? The TJ considered evidence, much of which was uncontradicted, and came to a figure based on that evidence. I don't know why you posted the BCCA decision, it's not like they're going to overrule a TJ's conclusions drawn from the evidence presented to him/her. Don't want to read the whole thing, really, but there's nothing that jumps out at me as absurd there.
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Old 03-26-2014, 01:20 PM   #4
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My friend was hit twice by distracted drivers, and I assure you she does not feel like a "lottery winner". No amount of $ can restore her quality of life.
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What a dumb thread title. Being injured in a car accident and getting compensation is not winning the lottery.
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:07 PM   #6
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I received about 10k in damages about 10 years ago because a guy ran a red light. I'd gladly give it all back if I could get rid of the permanent neck/back issues I have.
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I received about 10k in damages about 10 years ago because an idiot ran a red light. I'd gladly give it all back if I could get rid of the permanent neck/back issues I have.
I'd gladly give them more than the 4k I received for the arthritis I developed because of a "soft tissue" injury. The thread title is actually insulting.
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:31 PM   #8
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It should be noted though that the OP mentions that the plaintiff in this case is to receive in the neighborhood of $128K; substantially more than either T5 or Puckluck received.
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Old 03-26-2014, 04:36 PM   #9
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The amount does seem pretty high, but I guess it depends on what the long-term damage is. I personally think my 10k is a lousy pittance compared to the my neck issues....I'm not in agony or anything, but in day to day life it can be pretty annoying not being able to turn my head fully to one side. I'd gladly decline 128k to make it go away.
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The settlement is ridiculous though.

It was a fender bender that caused only $300 damage and no significant injuries occurred to the driver yet she got the following in damages:

a. non-pecuniary damages - $85,000;
b. loss of future income - $100,000;
c. cost of future care - $38,452.38;
d. special damages - $15,286.66.

Over $200k in damages for that type of accident. That is crazy. I was in a bad accident last year and the damages I received were probably not sufficient due to the soft tissue cap, but even I can see that this is crazy.

Motor Vehicle Lottery winner is making light of the situation but hell with over $200k in damages with no major injuries that isn't far off.
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The settlement is ridiculous though.

It was a fender bender that caused only $300 damage and no significant injuries occurred to the driver yet she got the following in damages:

a. non-pecuniary damages - $85,000;
b. loss of future income - $100,000;
c. cost of future care - $38,452.38;
d. special damages - $15,286.66.

Over $200k in damages for that type of accident. That is crazy. I was in a bad accident last year and the damages I received were probably not sufficient due to the soft tissue cap, but even I can see that this is crazy.

Motor Vehicle Lottery winner is making light of the situation but hell with over $200k in damages with no major injuries that isn't far off.

Vehicle damage is irrelevant. All that is relevant is that she was injured. You could smack a car right in the bumper pretty hard and only have to replace a bumper worth $300..doesn't mean that the car wasn't hit violently and caused injuries.
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It should be noted though that the OP mentions that the plaintiff in this case is to receive in the neighborhood of $128K; substantially more than either T5 or Puckluck received.

Should also be noted that this case didn't happen in Alberta. I really don't see the amount to be high at all. $128,000 really isn't a lot of money when being injured in a car accident.
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The settlement is ridiculous though.

It was a fender bender that caused only $300 damage and no significant injuries occurred to the driver yet she got the following in damages:

a. non-pecuniary damages - $85,000;
b. loss of future income - $100,000;
c. cost of future care - $38,452.38;
d. special damages - $15,286.66.

Over $200k in damages for that type of accident. That is crazy. I was in a bad accident last year and the damages I received were probably not sufficient due to the soft tissue cap, but even I can see that this is crazy.

Motor Vehicle Lottery winner is making light of the situation but hell with over $200k in damages with no major injuries that isn't far off.
These things are always so difficult though. My back is a complete mess, related entirely to an accident that I was in. The damages were higher than this, but I still did everything I could do after and just got on with life. I have issues with my back and nerves to this day that are an ongoing cost, and back when it happened I got $10k.

I have zero doubt that the guy who hit me thought 'what a scam' or things like that. The thing is you can't visibly see the damages, like say a broken arm. All I know is that I still have a lot of issues with my back and like a couple others have said, the money is completely irrelevant. It's really the only form of compensation that you can get though.
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My wife had over $20,000 damage to her car and was injured. The payment for injuries was above and beyond what her bills were. So far so good, even though she has been paid out, there is still a chance she will discover further issues.
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:04 PM   #15
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$100,000 against future loss of income is only $5,000 /yr for 20 years ($10,000 for 10 yrs?)
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I thought undercoverbrother won a new car. I am disappoint.
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My friend was hit twice by distracted drivers, and I assure you she does not feel like a "lottery winner". No amount of $ can restore her quality of life.
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I received about 10k in damages about 10 years ago because a guy ran a red light. I'd gladly give it all back if I could get rid of the permanent neck/back issues I have.
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These things are always so difficult though. My back is a complete mess, related entirely to an accident that I was in. The damages were higher than this, but I still did everything I could do after and just got on with life. I have issues with my back and nerves to this day that are an ongoing cost, and back when it happened I got $10k.

I have zero doubt that the guy who hit me thought 'what a scam' or things like that. The thing is you can't visibly see the damages, like say a broken arm. All I know is that I still have a lot of issues with my back and like a couple others have said, the money is completely irrelevant. It's really the only form of compensation that you can get though.
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My wife had over $20,000 damage to her car and was injured. The payment for injuries was above and beyond what her bills were. So far so good, even though she has been paid out, there is still a chance she will discover further issues.
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So what's crazy about it exactly? The TJ considered evidence, much of which was uncontradicted, and came to a figure based on that evidence. I don't know why you posted the BCCA decision, it's not like they're going to overrule a TJ's conclusions drawn from the evidence presented to him/her. Don't want to read the whole thing, really, but there's nothing that jumps out at me as absurd there.
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The amount does seem pretty high, but I guess it depends on what the long-term damage is. I personally think my 10k is a lousy pittance compared to the my neck issues....I'm not in agony or anything, but in day to day life it can be pretty annoying not being able to turn my head fully to one side. I'd gladly decline 128k to make it go away.
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The settlement is ridiculous though.

It was a fender bender that caused only $300 damage and no significant injuries occurred to the driver yet she got the following in damages:

a. non-pecuniary damages - $85,000;
b. loss of future income - $100,000;
c. cost of future care - $38,452.38;
d. special damages - $15,286.66.

Over $200k in damages for that type of accident. That is crazy. I was in a bad accident last year and the damages I received were probably not sufficient due to the soft tissue cap, but even I can see that this is crazy.

Motor Vehicle Lottery winner is making light of the situation but hell with over $200k in damages with no major injuries that isn't far off.

Thanks for the respone(s). To be clear, I am not against compensation for injuried parties. I can't speak to proceedure 19yzerman19.

However, to me the figures appears extreme, $100,000.00 for loss of future income, when no time was missed from work (beyond medical appointments, her employer did not notice any difference in her ability to work, and she didn't claim for past loss of income).

The figure of $85,000 also seems extreme considering she ran a marathon after the accident (which one can only assume included all the training up to the marathon).

To be this seems extreme and well nuts. It is this kind of decisions that drove up settlements in Alberta, which allegedly required a raise in rates, and has left us with the crap law regarding motor vehicle related injuries we currently have. The court seems to have awarded on a possibility, not a probability.

I can accept that she suffered injury.
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You have cherry-picked two facts from reading an article - i.e. she ran a marathon after and didn't miss time from work. The trial judge heard a bunch of evidence over a multi-day period, and likely received a whole whack of written material. Having considered it (s)he decided what was appropriate (in keeping with standards set by compensation given in other cases).

He's probably not a moron and he was in a better position to assess the thing than we were. As the ABCA recognized in not second-guessing him.

I guess my point is that there's too much of this "newspaper writes 500 words on judgment that took two days of trial and two months to write and everyone thinks they have an informed opinion" thing these days. And this is a 128k award, it's not wildly unprecedented or anything. I can see if I can get ahold of some of the materials if you really want to read them.
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To the marathon point, I'm not sure how that is relevant? She isn't claiming to be handicapped to the point she can't run at all. If she couldn't then the lawsuit would be in the millions. I hurt my wrist but can still play hockey and do everything I want but it still hurts after. Now I can't imagine how it's going to effect me when I'm 50 just how I can't imagine the pain that lady goes through every day.

It's clear the defense was lazy and they rightfully lost. Running a marathon the next day means squat.
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to summarize, driver was in an accident that resulted in $300 of damage to her vehicle (to put that in perspective, it is likely damage to some body trim piece and perhaps a little bodywork/painting), she then runs a marathon and misses no time at work and she winds up with a settlement of over $100k - seems like there is a huge disconnect with how hard her vehicle was hit versus her injuries.
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