Burke at the Lethbridge Chamber of Commerce Luncheon

[sureLoss]

Nothing earth shattering... shared some draft philosophy

http://lethbridgeherald.com/sports/l...mber-luncheon/

He also spoke of how intently the Flames approach each draft with their higher picks, looking for more that just a skilled player.

“We place great value and great pride on researching a player’s character work ethic, accountability, empathy and coachabilty” said Burke.

“We have a list of adjectives on the list and I think there are about 20 and I think ‘work ethic’ appears four times out of that 20. We try to research the kids, at least in the top-three rounds where we have the assets to do it, we make mistakes like everybody, but we try our best. We don’t draft based on skill, that’s the second thing to us. We think you have a better chance of succeeding if you bring in character people than if you don’t.

“So that’s a priority for us. We do have a DND list, Do Not Draft. Some teams will evaluate a guy and say ‘He has NHL skills, but he’s a head case, so put him in the second round.’ To me, he’s still a head case in the second round, so we just take him off the list.”

[moon]

Empathy?

I would hope that is pretty low down the list.

Seems important if you are looking for a nanny or a elementary school teacher but I will take skill over empathy every time thanks.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by moon

Empathy?

I would hope that is pretty low down the list.

Seems important if you are looking for a nanny or a elementary school teacher but I will take skill over empathy every time thanks.

I wouldn't have it high on the list but could see how it could be important when building a team.

I look at our locker room right now and see a bunch of guys that battle for each other, if he means empathy in that regard then I agree 100%.

[Caged Great]

You don't need any self entitled D-bags unless they are awesome like Patrick Kane. Your team is more likely to fight for each other if they are likable as people as we've seen with the current group.

Which would you rather have, Shinkaruk and Kabanov or Poirier and Reinhart?

[Scoutski]

Originally Posted by moon

Empathy?

I would hope that is pretty low down the list.

Seems important if you are looking for a nanny or a elementary school teacher but I will take skill over empathy every time thanks.

I'm thinking he's probably talking about a player who isn't selfish, e.g. will operate well in a team environment and have a sense of loyalty.

IF that's the case, I'm all for it, it is just speculative though.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by moon

Empathy?

I would hope that is pretty low down the list.

Seems important if you are looking for a nanny or a elementary school teacher but I will take skill over empathy every time thanks.

Why isn't this surprising.

Empathy for your team mates, members of the organization and community is an indicator of your character and coachability.

Being able to read and understand the emotions of those around you is a critical component of team building.

When a team mate goes to collect the puck from the net after a 1st or 100th, or 1000th point, that is empathy.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Why isn't this surprising.

Empathy for your team mates, members of the organization and community is an indicator of your character and coachability.

Being able to read and understand the emotions of those around you is a critical component of team building.

When a team mate goes to collect the puck from the net after a 1st or 100th, or 1000th point, that is empathy.

Your avatar is appropraite.........

[moon]

Sure his definition of empathy may be different than mine as well just seemed like an odd word especially with the other factors listed that all made sense.

[Tacoman]

Originally Posted by moon

Sure his definition of empathy may be different than mine as well just seemed like an odd word especially with the other factors listed that all made sense.

You clearly were not empathetic to the context and the meaning of the quote.

[Gallick]

Originally Posted by moon

Sure his definition of empathy may be different than mine as well just seemed like an odd word especially with the other factors listed that all made sense.

We're talking about the guy who slings around words like 'truculent' and 'pugnacity'.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by moon

Sure his definition of empathy may be different than mine as well just seemed like an odd word especially with the other factors listed that all made sense.

Massively separating the word from the rest of its context for the sake of ripping on it will do that.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Massively separating the word from the rest of its context for the sake of ripping on it will do that.

For the sake of ripping on it?

Yes that is what I was doing.

Good call as usual.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by moon

For the sake of ripping on it?

Yes that is what I was doing.

Good call as usual.

You ignored the entire rest of the article to associate that word with a 'nanny' or a 'schoolteacher', so yeah. I'd say I was right on the money.

[Miniac]

Would be interesting to have a look at that DND list.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by moon

Empathy?

I would hope that is pretty low down the list.

Seems important if you are looking for a nanny or a elementary school teacher but I will take skill over empathy every time thanks.

I actually read an article on this a few months ago, sports aside, empathy tends to be a key trait to success.

A quick google got me this : http://www.forbes.com/sites/ashoka/2...iness-forward/

Though the concept of empathy might contradict the modern concept of a traditional workplace—competitive, cutthroat, and with employees climbing over each other to reach the top— the reality is that for business leaders to experience success, they need to not just see or hear the activity around them, but also relate to the people they serve.

Some may think they see the results they want from doggedly pursuing their goals without much thought for other people, or others’ successes along the way. This attitude works for some, but at some point—often sooner rather than later—everyone needs to rely on their relationships and established personal and professional connections. These relationships are the product of taking an honest and dedicated interest in others and their businesses. Successful people do not operate alone; each of us needs the support of others to achieve positive results that push us toward our goals. True empathy combines understanding both the emotional and the logical rationale that goes into every decision.

Since hockey is a team game, you can see how these kind of things would be important.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

You ignored the entire rest of the article to associate that word with a 'nanny' or a 'schoolteacher', so yeah. I'd say I was right on the money.

Well I love Burke so why would I want to just rip on him? I know you have a hard time not focusing on me as a poster but instead of trying to make up crap based on your incorrect assumptions about me just deal with the post.

I thought empathy was a weird thing to look for in guys and hadn't heard it used before.

Instead of going after me as a poster try providing info as to why it is a good thing like Phanutier did. It makes for much better conversations and get away from the BS whining about posters and focuses on the topic at hand.

[Gaskal]

I seem to have touched a nerve.

[northcrunk]

Sounds like he's ripping the Oilers drafting strategy without saying it outright.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Sounds like he's ripping the Oilers drafting strategy without saying it outright.

The man can only take part in so many unsanctioned barnyard brawls before he starts drawing too much attention to himself from unsavory characters.



And Kevin Lowe can only get his face punched in so many times. Not enough times for my liking mind you, but there are limits.

[djsFlames]

There should be a little more weight placed on skill than he's suggesting. You don't always get superstars from picking the "good guys" of the bunch.

But I'm glad that he isn't stating that physical maturity and size comes before all these things. That would be worse.