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Old 01-28-2014, 11:05 AM   #1
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....coming, not soon enough:

http://www.stolenvalour.ca/

This is a great thing.

Promped by asshats like this:

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2.../21418026.html

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David Dodd has apologized for making false claims about his military service online and has handed over service medals he’s not entitled to wear, QMI Agency has learned.
Dodd became the centre of a national controversy after he posted comments on the Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry (PPCLI) Association Facebook group Sunday about being a former Patricia, witnessing a fellow female soldier die in his arms during overseas combat and suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
His claims were met by a firestorm of criticism in military circles when it was revealed Dodd has never been a member of the Princess Patricia's, has never served overseas and isn’t entitled to wear military medals he’s been photographed wearing at local Legion events over the past four years.
Paul Hale, the southwest Ontario branch president of the PPCLI Association, said he met with Dodd in Peterborough on Wednesday.


http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.c...tary-imposters

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In the wake of a national firestorm over a Peterborough man who posed as a combat veteran, a group of Canadian soldiers is set to launch a new website to out other military imposters.
The group is about to launch Stolen Valour – Canada (www.stolenvalour.ca) to investigate people who impersonate soldiers or embellish their military experience. The idea is similar to the American website www.stolenvalor.com.
Former U.S. president George W. Bush signed into law the Stolen Valor Act of 2005, addressing the unauthorized wear, manufacture, or sale of any military decorations and medals in the United States.
President Barack Obama went further, signing into law the Stolen Valor Act of 2013, making citizens criminally responsible if caught lying about military honours for profit.
Canada has its own military imposter law on the books.
Section 419 of the Criminal Code of Canada deals with the unlawful wearing of Canadian Forces uniforms and service medals.
Peterborough's David Dodd became the centre of a national controversy last week after he made false claims on the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry Association Facebook group about being a former Patricia, witnessing a fellow female soldier die in his arms during overseas combat and suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.
His claims were met by a fire-storm of criticism in military circles when it was revealed Dodd has never been a member of the Princess Patricia's, has never served overseas and isn't entitled to wear military medals he's been photographed wearing at local Legion events over the past four years.
Dodd apologized to the PPCLI Association and returned the medals after a public shaming involving hundreds of current and retired soldiers.
Retired soldier Bill Finlayson is one of the Canadians behind the new site. The group already has examples of other imposters it’s working to expose, he said in an email to The Examiner.
“We need to let this man and others know that we will no longer tolerate their actions nor their behaviour for any reason,” Finlayson said. “We plan to do everything in our power to stop this.”
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What a dirtbag.
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Old 01-28-2014, 11:14 AM   #3
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Attention shoppers, would Sniper First Class Clint Hardman please report to the front desk.
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Just look at that salute...anyone who has been in the CF could spot that in an instant. I don't see any possible way to get through basic training and salute like that.
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Just look at that salute...anyone who has been in the CF could spot that in an instant. I don't see any possible way to get through basic training and salute like that.
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Old 01-28-2014, 11:24 AM   #6
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Well that sure backfired on him. Now everyone knows that he is a dishonorable fool.
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Old 01-28-2014, 11:28 AM   #7
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Was he in the military in some fashion? I had assumed they checked a database or two before giving medals??? How does that happen?
Scummy relatives sell them for a few bucks on ebay or at pawn shops.
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Scummy relatives sell them for a few bucks on ebay or at pawn shops.
They were replicas he was wearing.

He was in the military though, but he never served overseas.
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I just don't get why people do this.
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I am guessing Mr. Hardman's world is unraveling around him.

Also, is there any way, CC or Undercoverbrother could use their military contacts to see if this guy actually served as a sniper? To me, misrepresenting yourself as a vet is a far worse crime than what that dude is trying to with his rent scamming.

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Hardman claimed to be a Medic according to the Sun article.

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Old 01-28-2014, 11:36 AM   #11
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They were replicas he was wearing.

He was in the military though, but he never served overseas.
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The records, which have not been verified as official, show that David Jeffrey Dodd enrolled in the Regular Force on Jan. 25, 1999; reported to CFRS St. Jean, Quebec on Jan. 28, 1999; reported to LFWA Wainwright, Alta. on June 11, 1999 and was voluntarily released 11 days later on June 22, 1999
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http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.c...is-he-for-real

Basically he never passed his basic.
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Basically he never passed his basic.
Is basic hard to pass?
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What a clown. This is nothing more than a major slap to the face of anyone who genuinley served.
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Is basic hard to pass?
That is a question without an answer.


I enjoyed my basic. I enjoyed the physical and mental challenge, but I viewed the whole thing as one big game.

We had people fail on my course.


Generically, I would suggest that it is difficult, but not impossible. The challenges are designed to be passed.
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http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.c...is-he-for-real

Basically he never passed his basic.
Had a military fantasy, didn't have what it takes, so invents a story for himself in a bid for attention. I bet there's some serious mental issues at work here
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Just look at that salute...anyone who has been in the CF could spot that in an instant. I don't see any possible way to get through basic training and salute like that.
No doubt. This is how it's done:

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Is basic hard to pass?
The drop out rate is pretty low, I think they lose about 5% through basic attrition and most of that in the first couple of weeks. The tough thing is if you get injured and get pulled and have to repeat.

Is it hard. I can say for sure that the first week or so is confusing and you learned a whole new swear dictionary. The old military tradition was that you could weed out the week or not prepared very quickly.

Lack of sleep hard core scheduling learning kit maintenance and the basic stuff that you thought you had locked down lead to more frustration then anything else. Add to it instructors that seem to be incredibly picky and seem to want you to hate them.

The physical training isn't difficult if your in half way decent shape, but people that aren't in shape get drained in a hurry. On top of that when you start doing stuff like basic drill for hours each day your mind starts screaming out for something else to do, and if you lost focus for just a second you'd be nose to nose with a very unhappy instructor who inside is screaming "yes yes yes"

The biggest problem is that basic training seems to be incredibly long, you don't see that light at the end of the tunnel at the start. Its just endless drilling, cleaning, familiarization and very little free time.

The worst part is the class room training that we did in my day. Because you'd been on the move and doing a lot of very physical stuff, then they'd toss you into a overly hot (unintentional this isn't a Demi Moore movie)oxygen poor movie and your head would start bobbing. Plus the classes weren't that interesting. Rank and structures, hygene, radio usage, equipment care, basic moral stuff. small unit tactics etc. you just couldn't keep your eyes open.

But once you got about half way through. Those bumps and bruises and ruptured ear drums from yelling and the lack of sleep, suddenly you broke through it all because you could see the end and you were doing a lot more cool stuff. You got to play with more of the toys. Your instructors with the exception of PT time eased off about 10% which is a lot. You got to practice what you learned in the first parts. The correction was a bit more gentle and they started talking to you as an adult.

The pushups and running that you really struggled with in the first part, you could suddenly just do. Even the food which I classified as terrible started tasting better.

The other big thing is that those strangers surrounding you each night that were just as exhausted as you and snarky and wondering what the hell they were doing there just like you. A large percentage of them became closer then the best friends that you had before.

You got more freedoms then you had at the start which was a basic work day that went from 5:00 am til 11:00 pm by the time you finished getting ready for the next day. But man you learned time saving cheats too.

the other reason why the second half was easier, because you got to go out in the field and work on field craft, and it was bruising and tough and demanding but you finally felt like you were going to be a soldier and not a marionette.

By the time you get to that last week though, all this stuff is actually a lot of fun.

I look back on it, and I don't remember much of the first half, but I remember all of the second half, and I remember when I was getting ready to leave I was sent to work with a reserve basic training group and I groused about how much nicer we had to be to those people and how that swearing dictionary that I had built up for three years went almost completely unused.

I will say that in order to not complete basic training you have to be a complete mess of a human being with bad genes and a disgraceful temperament.

I can see someone not making it through infantry training, that was a tough tough course with next to no sleep, a ton of field work, but I got to play with all of the cool toys so while it was tough it was easier.
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Oh and I'm ok with exposing the fraudsters. I ran into a guy that I called complete bullsh$t on a couple of years back. He wasn't claiming medals or heroic conduct or anything like that. He was claiming that he had been a full time member etc, turns out he was a former 1 year reservist.
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I am guessing Mr. Hardman's world is unraveling around him.

Also, is there any way, CC or Undercoverbrother could use their military contacts to see if this guy actually served as a sniper? To me, misrepresenting yourself as a vet is a far worse crime than what that dude is trying to with his rent scamming.

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Hardman claimed to be a Medic according to the Sun article.
I don't have those type of contacts anymore. the best way to do it is to press the reporter to see if he can pull up the guys record via freedom of information.
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