[Rumour] Penguins and Senators dangling prospects for forwards

[sureLoss]

Going to split this away from the rumor/speculation thread as this probably deserves more discussion.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Hocke...561/story.html

“The search for players in a salary-cap world is hard,” said Shero, who doesn’t know if he’ll look to a rental (how do you spell H-e-m-s-k-y or C-a-m-m-a-l-l-e-r-i?) or take somebody with the hope they can re-sign him in July when the salary cap goes up to around $70 million.

Shero went the rental route with Hossa in 2008 and Jarome Iginla during the lockout season.

“There’s only so many you can do. You have to be careful with those deals that you don’t deplete your organization (in the race for a Stanley Cup). When I made the Hossa deal, I said, ‘You know, you can’t do this every year.’ And we also got Dupuis along with Marian, a great player,” said Shero, who gave up middle-of-the-road prospect forwards Ben Hanowski and Ken Agostino and a first-rounder this past June to get Iginla.

“We’re fortunate we have assets, especially on defence,” he said about Simon Despres, Robert Bortuzzo and Brian Dumoulin, outside of their two prize youngsters — Olli Maatta and Derrick Pouliot.

“We’ve got (winger) Beau Bennett coming back next month, maybe after the Olympics. He’s a good young player.

“(The trade deadline is) all about supply and demand. I remember one year I wanted Ray Whitney, when he was in Carolina when he had a no-movement clause, and talked to GM Jim Rutherford and he says, ‘Here’s what I want for him.’ I told him I didn’t think I could do that. But I called a week before the deadline and Jimmy said the price was the same. I called him again about two hours before the deadline and he said, ‘Here’s the price.’ I told him I couldn’t do it and he didn’t trade Ray. I respected Jimmy. I enjoy dealing with somebody like that. No B.S.,” said Shero.

“The speed factor is a huge thing. One of the deciding things with people playing with Crosby is the wingers playing with speed so they force other teams to deal with that, either on a forecheck or as a threat. Pascal Dupuis has done that,” said coach Dan Bylsma.

“The guys who do well with Sid don’t worry about playing with Sid. They just have to skate and think and the guys who have trouble are the ones feeling they have to get him the puck all the time,” said Shero.

[Vinny01]

Glencross would fit great with the Pens

[neo45]

Pouliout was pretty good at the world juniors and was paired with Ekblad the whole time. Good skater with offensive skills who played in Portland with Sven. Maybe the guy to target


These prospects seem like way too much to give up for a rental, though

[BACKCHECK!!!]

"When I made the Iginla deal, on the other hand, I said 'You know, I can't believe that offer worked'. I'm hoping Jay Feaster finds employment in the NHL again soon, because we could afford a rental like that for a point-per-game playoff performer just about every year."

[devo22]

“We’re fortunate we have assets, especially on defence,” he said about Simon Despres, Robert Bortuzzo and Brian Dumoulin, outside of their two prize youngsters — Olli Maatta and Derrick Pouliot.

I'd add Despres to the "prize" category ... and there's also Scott Harrington. I could see them dangling Bortuzzo or Dumoulin though.

Would love to have Bortuzzo on the Flames, if only for the hilarious "we need more Bort nameplates" joke.

[saXon]

Interesting. It's not like they don't have a plethora of options to give within their system. A good question is whether they wheel and deal pre or post Olympics, if even at all.

[herashak]

despres isnt even good

[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by herashak

despres isnt even good

Got anything to back that up with?

[dammage79]

Capgeek has Pittsburgh with 970k in cap. Which means, if I'm doing this correctly, that they can take a player with a cap hit 1.94 million pro rated..I think.

Stempniak is almost within range of that give or take a month? Im sure these an exact science to this. But I dont know it.

In either case, the Pens would have to send some salary back with the Flames eating a portion of salary to make that deal work. I dont even think they could take him on at the deadline with the same kind of structure. If the pens were to trade with the Flames, my guess is Stemps would be the one to go.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Capgeek has Pittsburgh with 970k in cap. Which means, if I'm doing this correctly, that they can take a player with a cap hit 1.94 million pro rated..I think.

Stempniak is almost within range of that give or take a month? Im sure these an exact science to this. But I dont know it.

In either case, the Pens would have to send some salary back with the Flames eating a portion of salary to make that deal work. I dont even think they could take him on at the deadline with the same kind of structure. If the pens were to trade with the Flames, my guess is Stemps would be the one to go.

They haven't put Dupuis on ltir so that will spike that number. Maybe not enough for Cammy unless we retain salary.

[Sylvanfan]

Given their cap situation, and that they did chase some rental guys last year, they might be a team to look for a Glencross type who has a year left on his contract at a workable number. Certainly they do realize that although they will have a strong team with Crosby and Malkin, there is a window for the supporting group that won't stay open as long. The prospects on defence certainly would at least draw a look from the Flames.

[jeffman]

Cammy for north and a 1st. Cammys got great finish and would light it up playing with cros

[cam_wmh]

When a team retains salary in a trade, is that simply real world dollars ? Or does the trading club retain those same dollars in cap as well?

[alan21]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle7033878/

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

When a team retains salary in a trade, is that simply real world dollars ? Or does the trading club retain those same dollars in cap as well?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Capgeek has Pittsburgh with 970k in cap. Which means, if I'm doing this correctly, that they can take a player with a cap hit 1.94 million pro rated..I think.

CapGeek's numbers already account for pro-rating of contracts.

On the front page of CapGeek, they have three columns, "Projection", "Today's Space", and "Deadline Space". The "Projection" column represents how much "real" unused cap space the team currently has. The "Today" column indicates roughly how much additional cap hit (AAV) the team could add to their payroll today and still be compliant. The "Deadline" column indicates roughly how much additional cap hit (AAV) the team could add to their payroll at the deadline (assuming no changes occur between now and then) and still be compliant.

As long as a team doesn't make any roster moves, the number in the first column should remain the same from day-to-day; but the number in the second and third columns will increase each day.


Then, there's an added wrinkle for all the teams using LTIR to be compliant. LTIR "space" doesn't pro-rate like actual unused cap space does. With regular space, $2 million in cap space means you could add $4 million in cap hit halfway through the season, but with LTIR space, $2 million is $2 million from start to finish. This is why the "Today" and "Deadline" numbers for teams using LTIR are the same.

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

When a team retains salary in a trade, is that simply real world dollars ? Or does the trading club retain those same dollars in cap as well?

They keep an equal percentage of both.

[stemit14]

I could see the penguins being interested in cammalleri, stempniak, or glencross. Cammalleri maybe a little less cause he's a pp specialist and they don't really need that. The best bet for them to go after is stempniak... Right handed shot who has speed, is good on the forecheck and can have some finish when on a hot streak... If Crosby can't get him going... No one can

[nemanja2306]

I'd do something with Glencross and Pouliot being the centerpieces. Glencross has the speed and the hands to play with Crosby, plus he's good on the forecheck and is a decent PK-er. I could easily see him flirt with 30 goals on Crosby's wing. Flames fill a big organizational need getting a potential top 4 (perhaps even top 2) d-man. Glencross gets to play with Sid. Everybody wins.

Not sure the Pens do it though.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

I'd do something with Glencross and Pouliot being the centerpieces. Glencross has the speed and the hands to play with Crosby, plus he's good on the forecheck and is a decent PK-er. I could easily see him flirt with 40 goals on Crosby's wing. Flames fill a big organizational need getting a potential top 4 (perhaps even top 2) d-man. Glencross gets to play with Sid. Everybody wins.

Not sure the Pens do it though.

Fixed your post, seems like he's played about 5 games this year, he's still on pace for 24 if he played full....

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

Fixed your post, seems like he's played about 5 games this year, he's still on pace for 24 if he played full....

I don't know about 40, not many players hit 40, even if they're playing with Crosby. But who knows.. I mean Anson Carter scored 33 with the Sedins, Burrows 35... It's certainly possible, I wouldn't be shocked, but I think 30ish is more realistic.

Would the Pens deal Pouliot?

[Gord Wappel]

"When I made the Iginla deal, on the other hand, I said 'You know, I can't believe that offer worked'. I'm hoping Jay Feaster finds employment in the NHL again soon, because we could afford a rental like that for a point-per-game playoff performer just about every year."

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