2013 NCAA football thread

[transplant99]

Didnt see a thread for this elsewhere...and not the kind of news you wanna start one with, but it is what it is.

Brutal.

A former five-star recruit for the Alabama Crimson Tide was arrested for the second time in two days and was among four freshmen who face charges of second-degree robbery or fraudulent use of a credit card stemming from Monday arrests.

Eddie Williams, who was also a safety in high school but did not play a down at his listed position as a receiver for Alabama in 2012, was first arrested Sunday on a charge of carrying a pistol without a license.


Defensive end D.J. Pettway (second-degree robbery), and linebackers Tyler Hayes (second-degree robbery) and Brent Calloway (fraudulent use of a credit card) were arrested Monday along with Williams, according to online records from the Tuscaloosa County Sheriff's Office.

According to police, Williams, 20, said he was accompanied by Pettway and Hayes, "both of whom he stated were involved in an earlier robbery with him as well.

"Both subjects stood by in a vehicle, with knowledge of his intent, while he committed the crime," said the police report, obtained by the Birmingham News and Tuscaloosa News.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...facing-charges

[Drake]

All I can do is laugh after reading this:

Alabama head coach Nick Saban has developed a reputation for being ahead of the game when it comes to recruiting but over the weekend Saban may have put the Crimson Tide far ahead of the competition with one of the country's future star prospects. Baton Rouge (La.) athlete Dylan Moses was one of several players to receive a scholarship offer from Alabama during the Crimson Tide's Junior Day event over the weekend, though unlike most of the other players that received offers, Moses is not a junior. He's in 8th grade.

"We got the invitation to come to Alabama's Junior Day a few weeks ago and to be honest we were kind of surprised," said Dylan's father Edward Moses Jr. "When we got there, Coach (Burton) Burns took us around and introduced us to the entire coaching staff and they all seemed very interested in Dylan. They treated him like a five-star recruit."

We met with Coach Saban after lunch and he talked to Dylan about his future and what he needed to do to achieve his potential as a student and as a football player. When he said he was offering Dylan a scholarship, we asked a lot of questions just to make sure we knew exactly what he meant. Coach Saban said the Alabama staff believes Dylan has a chance to be the best player in the country in the Class of 2017 and they were ready to offer him a scholarship. That's when the fireworks started going off in our heads."

"He's got most of his experience at running back and linebacker but I would like him to learn to play defensive back as well, though he might end up growing out of that position," Edward said. "I think when you look at Alabama and LSU, they are two programs known for being the best developers of running backs and defensive backs in the nation so he really can't go wrong either way."

"We aren't putting any pressure on him with the recruiting process right now. I think the fact that this is happening so early for him is helping him mature a little quicker than most 14 year-olds would and I think that's probably a good thing for him. Right now, all Dylan really knows is that LSU and Alabama are his favorites and he's going to spend the next few years focusing on becoming the best player he can be. I don't think he feels any need to rush his decision."

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/in...arship_of.html

[valo403]

Not sure what's unique about that. The offer is pretty much meaningless, and there are a ton of coaches that have done it with middle school aged kids.

[Stay Golden]

i thought the NCAA put an end to that garbage approaching 13-16 year old kids with scholarships.
Obviously not. I just assumed this didn't happen anymore.
Yes nothing going on behind closed doors with Saben and this kids family.
Of course no proof of gifts etc but wake the frak up NCAA.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

i thought the NCAA put an end to that garbage approaching 13-16 year old kids with scholarships.
Obviously not. I just assumed this didn't happen anymore.
Yes nothing going on behind closed doors with Saben and this kids family.
Of course no proof of gifts etc but wake the frak up NCAA.

Huh? Every coach does this, and has done it for years. It's nothing new, and definitely not an indication of a violation. And really, a UM fan is going to talk about NCAA violations as if those programs are so clean.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by valo403

Huh? Every coach does this, and has done it for years. It's nothing new, and definitely not an indication of a violation. And really, a UM fan is going to talk about NCAA violations as if those programs are so clean.

Defending a Saben built program as clean is well laughable. He just doesn't leave a shred of evidence.
As for poaching on Grade 8 kids i just assumed that it didn't occur anymore i thought the NCAA put stricter guidelines in place but i guess they never did, my mistake.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Defending a Saben built program as clean is well laughable. He just doesn't leave a shred of evidence.
As for poaching on Grade 8 kids i just assumed that it didn't occur anymore i thought the NCAA put stricter guidelines in place but i guess they never did, my mistake.

Nobody is defending anything as clean, but there's nothing even remotely inappropriate per the NCAA rules here. Not a thing. But keep making stuff up if it makes you feel better.

[Stay Golden]

Defending a Saben built program as clean is well laughable. He just doesn't leave a shred of evidence.
As for poaching on Grade 8 kids i just assumed that it didn't occur anymore i thought the NCAA put stricter guidelines in place but i guess they never did, my mistake.

Originally Posted by valo403

Nobody is defending anything as clean, but there's nothing even remotely inappropriate per the NCAA rules here. Not a thing. But keep making stuff up if it makes you feel better.

I said i assumed, i said my mistake.
Maybe in your eyes when someone says "i assumed and my mistake" you interpret that as making things up. Seriously dude you have relentless argument and control issues, i wouldn't be surprised if your a lawyer or studying law.
As for your constant knocking of Michigan programs you should just over that Hoke can flip MSU recruits because quite frankly maybe they want to play in the Bighouse or maybe they simply have an aversion to wearing green.
Funny on the flip side i have said nothing but respectful comments this year about MSU Football and Basketball.
You despise Michigan and it is undeniable.

No mistakes there.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I said i assumed, i said my mistake.
Maybe in your eyes when someone says "i assumed and my mistake" you interpret that as making things up. Seriously dude you have relentless argument and control issues, i wouldn't be surprised if your a lawyer or studying law.
As for your constant knocking of Michigan programs you should just over that Hoke can flip MSU recruits because quite frankly maybe they want to play in the Bighouse or maybe they simply have an aversion to wearing green.
Funny on the flip side i have said nothing but respectful comments this year about MSU Football and Basketball.
You despise Michigan and it is undeniable.

No mistakes there.

Uh yeah, that's pretty clear.

And my issue wasn't with the mistake on that being banned by the NCAA, it was with this portion:

Yes nothing going on behind closed doors with Saben and this kids family.
Of course no proof of gifts etc but wake the frak up NCAA.

It's garbage. It's completely made up. It's not a mistake, it's not an assumption, it's you making something up and trying to turn a nothing situation (that happens all the time) into something.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by valo403

Uh yeah, that's pretty clear.

And my issue wasn't with the mistake on that being banned by the NCAA, it was with this portion:



It's garbage. It's completely made up. It's not a mistake, it's not an assumption, it's you making something up and trying to turn a nothing situation (that happens all the time) into something.

wow and what proof do you have about this. Considering your all about proof. Logic and common sense are taboo.

And if you want me to find proof of how love to try to push someone around in fantasy world the internet. I could dig up endless amounts of posts where you do just that. Relentless arguing until someone gives into Lord Valo.
That doesn't work so well in the real world.
It is my opinion Urban Myer, Chip Kelly, Saben, cover their tracks with multiple recruiting NCAA violations.
I don't work for the media so i am free to state that.
That is my opinion and the opinion shared by thousands of NCAA fans around North America.
Can you actually deal with that being an opinion.
I don't have to prove to you anything. I didn't start a thread and call it Saben breaks NCAA rules.
I could say the Spartans actually chose that name because they really wanted the Trojans but it was taken so they settled.
That would also be an opinion. A unusual one granted but an opinion.
This is a forum full of opinions.

This is not a judicial forum.

But we don't want to derail the topic being NCAA Football so...

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/inde...ommit_for.html

The 6-foot-5, 275-pound Cole is ranked by Rivals as the country's No. 107 overall player. Michigan beat a bevy of power recruiters to land him, including Arkansas, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Notre Dame, Ohio State, South Carolina, USC and others.
Cole's commitment continues Michigan's elite recruiting at offensive line under coach Brady Hoke. The Wolverines signed 10 players at the position in the past two classes, nine of whom are four-star prospects according to at least one of the recruiting outlets.
The 2013 offensive line class was ranked by Rivals as the best in the country.
Michigan now has four commitments for its 2014 class, with Cole joining Ohio linebacker Michael Ferns, Virginia quarterback Wilton Speight and Utah defensive tackle Bryan Mone. Ferns, Mone and Cole are ranked among Rivals' top 250 players in the country.
That means the Wolverines already have commitments from three players who hail from outside the Big Ten footprint, after signing just five in 2013.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

wow and what proof do you have about this. Considering your all about proof. Logic and common sense are taboo.

And if you want me to find proof of how love to try to push someone around in fantasy world the internet. I could dig up endless amounts of posts where you do just that. Relentless arguing until someone gives into Lord Valo.
That doesn't work so well in the real world.
It is my opinion Urban Myer, Chip Kelly, Saben, cover their tracks with multiple recruiting NCAA violations.
I don't work for the media so i am free to state that.
That is my opinion and the opinion shared by thousands of NCAA fans around North America.
Can you actually deal with that being an opinion.
I don't have to prove to you anything. I didn't start a thread and call it Saben breaks NCAA rules.
I could say the Spartans actually chose that name because they really wanted the Trojans but it was taken so they settled.
That would also be an opinion. A unusual one granted but an opinion.
This is a forum full of opinions.

This is not a judicial forum.

Why would I have proof of something that doesn't exist? If you want to make an accusation the burden is on you to support it.

Your opinion is absurd and baseless. Look at that, another opinion.

It just really bothers me that people try to turn every single thing into a recruiting violation, or otherwise kick sand and point fingers at others when their backyard is full of garbage. Michigan has had plenty of recruiting violations and other NCAA issues, there's a few empty spaces in you arena that attest to that. It's just always someone else doing something wrong or playing dirty.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by valo403

Why would I have proof of something that doesn't exist? If you want to make an accusation the burden is on you to support it.

Your opinion is absurd and baseless. Look at that, another opinion.

It just really bothers me that people try to turn every single thing into a recruiting violation, or otherwise kick sand and point fingers at others when their backyard is full of garbage. Michigan has had plenty of recruiting violations and other NCAA issues, there's a few empty spaces in you arena that attest to that. It's just always someone else doing something wrong or playing dirty.

you must not have received enough sleep this isn't a NCAA Basketball thread. Or are you flipping the topic around again.

Saben's boys in trouble oh oh.
Looks like maybe a violation of another kind commited by Bama players and yes rest easy i know Michigan has had their fair share of Dummy Athletes commuting crimes. So you can save the pending childish rant.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...arges/1912299/

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

you must not have received enough sleep this isn't a NCAA Basketball thread. Or are you flipping the topic around again.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...arges/1912299/

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-foo...iving-brady-ho


Thanks for proving my point. Point fingers at everyone else while ignoring your own backyard.

Oh and if you'd like we can talk about the bevy of recent NCAA sanctions against UM football, I didn't realize you needed to be reminded of those.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by valo403

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-foo...iving-brady-ho


Thanks for proving my point. Point fingers at everyone else while ignoring your own backyard.

Oh and if you'd like we can talk about the bevy of recent NCAA sanctions against UM football, I didn't realize you needed to be reminded of those.

What exactly are you talking about? Can you find these said sanctions and did they occur in 2013 considered the topic at hand.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

What exactly are you talking about? Can you find these said sanctions and did they occur in 2013 considered the topic at hand.

Are you serious?

http://www.michigandaily.com/content...otball-program

I also like the convenient time limitation. You're doing a great job of demonstrating the worst type of college football fan. Point fingers at everything other programs do, no matter how trivial (and this Saban thing is about as trivial as it gets), while at the same time ignoring things your team has done. It's ridiculous and it's probably the worst part of college football. It's worse than politics, people are more concerned with digging up dirt on their rivals than they are on the performance of their own team. If guys get arrested, or if violations are found, then sure go ahead and kick dirt, but know that you're program has likely done the exact same thing and you're players will find themselves in similar situations.

For the record, I'm not citing UM's sanctions or arrests as an attempt to kick dirt. I don't think most of what they did was even a big deal, and that much of it is over reaching by the NCAA. I'm citing it to demonstrate that it's more than a little hypocritical to sit there and go after other programs when yours is really no different. The vast majority of college football programs spend most of their time barely on the right side of the rules, they push the envelope on everything and not infrequently step just across the line.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by valo403

Are you serious?

http://www.michigandaily.com/content...otball-program

I also like the convenient time limitation. You're doing a great job of demonstrating the worst type of college football fan. Point fingers at everything other programs do, no matter how trivial (and this Saban thing is about as trivial as it gets), while at the same time ignoring things your team has done. It's ridiculous and it's probably the worst part of college football. It's worse than politics, people are more concerned with digging up dirt on their rivals than they are on the performance of their own team. If guys get arrested, or if violations are found, then sure go ahead and kick dirt, but know that you're program has likely done the exact same thing and you're players will find themselves in similar situations.

For the record, I'm not citing UM's sanctions or arrests as an attempt to kick dirt. I don't think most of what they did was even a big deal, and that much of it is over reaching by the NCAA. I'm citing it to demonstrate that it's more than a little hypocritical to sit there and go after other programs when yours is really no different. The vast majority of college football programs spend most of their time barely on the right side of the rules, they push the envelope on everything and not infrequently step just across the line.

am i serious i know Michigan Football inside out. Of course i know about the 2010 decision thanks to RichFraud. Seriously you are like shooting fish in a barrel.
I believe if i also wanted waste my time i could find almost verbatim that i am the

worst kind of NCAA fan and i'm Wallmart Michigan trash bla bla bla

.
Sound familiar.
real classy Val.
Save it for your MSU faithful. Maybe they buy that garbage white noise.
It's not Michigan fans fault Saban jumped ship to LSU and left MSU in darkness.
Thankfully Dantonio moved over from Cincy and rescued the program 8 years later. He is a good coach, a good adversary.
As for pointing my finger at my own program. Like what the Fab 5 is foreign to me you really are odd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Stonum

Thank God I do not run into MSU fans that act like you when i have visited Detroit many times.
For the most part they pretty decent.

As for not pointing at my own program. Keep your rage down.

Back to current 2013 NCAA topics

http://www.freep.com/article/2013022...tball-14-cover

Might not even get drafted into the NFL but until his NCAA records are broken Robinson numbers are legendary.
It will be even better playing EA NCAA if Robinson is on the cover.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

am i serious i know Michigan Football inside out. Of course i know about the 2010 decision thanks to RichFraud. Seriously you are like shooting fish in a barrel.
I believe if i also wanted waste my time i could find almost verbatim that i am the .
Sound familiar.
real classy Val.
Save it for your MSU faithful. Maybe they buy that garbage white noise.
It's not Michigan fans fault Saban jumped ship to LSU and left MSU in darkness.
Thankfully Dantonio moved over from Cincy and rescued the program 8 years later. He is a good coach, a good adversary.
As for pointing my finger at my own program. Like what the Fab 5 is foreign to me you really are odd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Stonum

Thank God I do not run into MSU fans that act like you when i have visited Detroit many times.
For the most part they pretty decent.

As for not pointing at my own program. Keep your rage down.

Back to current 2013 NCAA topics

http://www.freep.com/article/2013022...tball-14-cover

Might not even get drafted into the NFL but until his NCAA records are broken Robinson numbers are legendary.
It will be even better playing EA NCAA if Robinson is on the cover.

What does MSU even have to do with anything? This is about pointing fingers at other programs while ignoring things in your own, and even better pointing fingers with absolutely no basis. I'm not a Bama fan, and I'm not a Saban fan, but I'm so sick of fans that pull this stuff. Stop accusing other programs of being dirty when there's nothing to base the accusation on, especially when they can do the same thing to you. All it leads to is a bunch of people pointing at each other and pretending that they're the only clean program in the country. I just don't get why people engage in it, every program is in pretty much the same boat.

[nik-]

As long as we don't have to give them all back

[Stay Golden]

Maybe this is Saban's secret weapon.
Whatever the slogan it has worked for him.

It would be interesting to see what the various Team Mantra signs are around the NCAA. I think it is neat to have a peek into what inspirational or motivational statements they have posted.

http://network.yardbarker.com/colleg..._room/13010782

[Drake]

A sit-in at the university president’s office; calls for their resignation; a packed, campus-wide meeting that resolves nothing and opens the door to further conflict. Such actions are notable enough on their own, but we’ve never seen a protest movement quite like what’s happening at Florida Atlantic University. For the first time on record, hundreds of students are raising their voices against the renaming of their school’s football stadium. FAU decided to sell the stadium’s naming rights to GEO Group, a notorious private prison corporation, and students are saying, “Hell no.” Their efforts signal something even more significant than pushing back against the inviolate prerogatives of a school’s football program. It’s a high-profile sign of the growing movement against our system of mass incarceration otherwise known as “the New Jim Crow.”

GEO Group will pay $6 million over twelve years to rebrand the football stadium, home of the FAU Owls. Protesters have now also rebranded the stadium, calling it “Owlcatraz.”

Students marched and occupied President Mary Jane Saunders’s office last week, submitting a letter that read, “We are protesting because we believe that institutions of higher learning like FAU have the responsibility to stand up to the systemic racism, corruption and human rights violations that define the prison-for-profit system, and advocate instead for the equality and human rights.”
The students are, of course, correct. Private prisons are immoral, Orwellian institutions. To combat any trend against growing levels of incarceration, they spend millions on political lobbying to make sure that provably racist institutions like “the War on Drugs”, “three strikes” laws and, their latest ripe plum, the incarceration of undocumented immigrants, remain the rule of the land. But if private prisons are diseases, then GEO Group is the Ebola virus. Describing one of their juvenile jails in Mississippi, a judge called GEO Group’s facilities “a cesspool of unconstitutional and inhuman acts and conditions.”

http://www.thenation.com/blog/173166...-new-jim-crow#