[Trade] Dan Carcillo to NY Rangers for 7th Round Pick

[jschick88]

Basically for a bag of pucks.

@NYP_Brooksie Rangers take step to acquire toughness...acquire Carcillo from LA for seventh rounder.

@NYRangers TRANSACTION: #NYR have traded a conditional 7th round pick in 2014 to LA for Dan Carcillo.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by jschick88

Basically for a bag of pucks.

@NYP_Brooksie Rangers take step to acquire toughness...acquire Carcillo from LA for seventh rounder.

Headcratcher - they have Asham, why pick up Carcillo?

[Da_Chief]

Arms race; Sather vs Burke.

[icecube]

Dorsett just broke his leg. Can never have enough TRUCULENCE

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Arms race; Sather vs Burke.

For the inevitable matchup in the Finals.

[ricardodw]

Carcillo has 2 pts in his 26 games and is a -1.

In Stempniak's last 24 game he has doubled the scoring (4 pts) while getting beaten like a rented mule at even strength ( -17)


Is there anyone who still thinks that Stempy will bring in a 2nd round pick????!!!

[Fire]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Carcillo has 2 pts in his 26 games and is a -1.

In Stempniak's last 24 game he has doubled the scoring (4 pts) while getting beaten like a rented mule at even strength ( -17)


Is there anyone who still thinks that Stempy will bring in a 2nd round pick????!!!

I don't know if Stempniak will return a 2nd rounder but your comparison is ridiculous. The return won't be based on only the last 24 games.

[steveo]

Originally Posted by Fire

I don't know if Stempniak will return a 2nd rounder but your comparison is ridiculous. The return won't be based on only the last 24 games.

It is based on rgi. Hence why he's worth nothing!

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Carcillo has 2 pts in his 26 games and is a -1.

In Stempniak's last 24 game he has doubled the scoring (4 pts) while getting beaten like a rented mule at even strength ( -17)


Is there anyone who still thinks that Stempy will bring in a 2nd round pick????!!!

This is the most ridiculous thing you have ever posted, and that's saying something because you have posted a lot of off the wall ridiculous things in the past.

The 2 players aren't even comparable. Stempniak is in a big dry spell but is known as a streaky player who can absolutely turn it on. He can play a regular shift in the top 9 and not hurt you defensively.

Carcillo is a 4th line goon who can barely play against other 4th line goons.

You should feel shame.

[FlameZilla]

I would rather have Carcillo than Westgarth. The guy is a solid energy player. Surprised the return is so little...

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I would rather have Carcillo than Westgarth. The guy is a solid energy player. Surprised the return is so little...

Me too, but it seems LA wanted no contract coming back.

Flames probably want to keep all their picks, even the late round ones.

[flamesfan1297]

What was the condition on the pick?

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

This is the most ridiculous thing you have ever posted, and that's saying something because you have posted a lot of off the wall ridiculous things in the past.

The 2 players aren't even comparable. Stempniak is in a big dry spell but is known as a streaky player who can absolutely turn it on. He can play a regular shift in the top 9 and not hurt you defensively.

Carcillo is a 4th line goon who can barely play against other 4th line goons.

You should feel shame.

While I do not disagree with the rest of your post, Carcillo is better than most fourth line goons. Twice he has cracked the 10 goal mark in his career and also dressed for a handful of games in CHICAGOs cup run last year.

This value suggests LA was keen to move him quickly as well as he added value of not taking a contract back.

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

While I do not disagree with the rest of your post, Carcillo is better than most fourth line goons. Twice he has cracked the 10 goal mark in his career and also dressed for a handful of games in CHICAGOs cup run last year.

This value suggests LA was keen to move him quickly as well as he added value of not taking a contract back.

Fair enough. I can argee with that.

[TurdFerguson]

Kings needed to clear a contract with quick coming off LTIR. In this case, dumping the contract was the return in itself.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

This is the most ridiculous thing you have ever posted, and that's saying something because you have posted a lot of off the wall ridiculous things in the past.

The 2 players aren't even comparable. Stempniak is in a big dry spell but is known as a streaky player who can absolutely turn it on. He can play a regular shift in the top 9 and not hurt you defensively.

Carcillo is a 4th line goon who can barely play against other 4th line goons.

You should feel shame.

So what do you feel Stempniak will bring back?

I think his value is closer to a conditional 7th rounder. A lot of posters have "Stempy" bringing back a 2nd. They should all feel shame.

Over the same dry spell the CP consensus worst player in recent years (Butler) has out-scored Stempniak 5 pts to 4 and is only -13.



How does -17 in 24 games show you are not hurting defensively? When does getting outplayed night after night for over a quarter of the season show that you are not doing a decent job defensively?

There are no other teams that Stempniak gets to play top 9 (without a string of injuries).

Saying Stempniak is a top-9 forwards at the NHL level is very much like saying that Butler is a top-3 d-man based on his 20 minutes a game this year and should be worth a 2nd round pick plus a prospect.

I believe Hartley is giving Stempniak so much ice time so at year end when he is doing his exit interview he can tell Burke that the line up that Burke gave him was soooooooo bad that he was forced to play a plug like Stempniak 19 minutes a game.

[Wolfman]

Carcillo is a meat sock!

[McG]

Hard to believe Burke didn't get in on that conditional 7th round action. Carcillo is a UFA so maybe in July...

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So what do you feel Stempniak will bring back?

Depends on the market really. If I had to find a comparable in recent years to Stempniak I would say Chris Kelly, who got a second round pick out of Boston.

I think his value is closer to a conditional 7th rounder. A lot of posters have "Stempy" bringing back a 2nd. They should all feel shame.

Maybe he will bring back a 2nd, maybe something like a 3rd + or a 4th +. The fact that you think his value is closer to a conditional 7th means, at least in my eyes, you're judging Stempniak on what he has done the last 12 games of his career and you are definitely someone who allows stats to morph your opinion.

Over the same dry spell the CP consensus worst player in recent years (Butler) has out-scored Stempniak 5 pts to 4 and is only -13.

What does Butler have to do with this? Nothing, that's what.

How does -17 in 24 games show you are not hurting defensively? When does getting outplayed night after night for over a quarter of the season show that you are not doing a decent job defensively?

How many times this year have you thought to yourself "You're positioning is garbage." or "you got beat cleanly" or "what a terrible pass to get out of your zone. Way to turn the puck over." about Lee Stempniak. Honestly, not once off the top of my head, though I am sure it has happened a few times because, quite frankly, no player is perfect and mistakes will happen.

Stempniak's -17 in 24 games is probably more of a product of the position Stempniak has in within the lineup, and less to do with Stempniak's defensive play as a whole.

Firstly this team's goaltending, while good, has been probably about average or maybe slightly above depending on the game. There's no Miika Kiprusoff out there making glorious save after glorious save to make up for his teams mistakes.

Secondly the teams defensive structure as a whole, while better lately, is still something left to be desired. It happens, the teams young and in a time of transition.

Lastly, and this is probably the most important part, Stempniak is being thrust into a position over his head because the Flames lack better options. For a number of games he was on the top line (With Stajan and Cammalleri) playing against other teams top players. Stempniak is not a top line player. Like I said previously he is a top 9 player, who can get really hot (14 goals in 14 games with the Coyotes after the Leafs trade in 2010).

In my opinion Lee Stempniak's +/- is more of a reflection of the team around him than how Stempniak is playing defensively. He's not perfect but I would say he is pretty solid.

There are no other teams that Stempniak gets to play top 9 (without a string of injuries).

Besides the obvious point of "There are a lot of other teams that are out of the playoffs that would have Stempniak in their top 9." completely debunking your claim of

There are no other teams that Stempniak gets to play top 9 (without a string of injuries).

There are definitely a couple of play-off bound teams who could use a versatile guy like Lee Stempniak to round out their top 9. The Pittsburgh Penguins and Colorado Avalanche are 2 of the more likely teams, in my opinion, could use another forward. In Pittsburgh's case they could probably use 2.

Saying Stempniak is a top-9 forwards at the NHL level is very much like saying that Butler is a top-3 d-man based on his 20 minutes a game this year and should be worth a 2nd round pick plus a prospect.

No it is not. Top 9 players can play against guys matched on other teams 3rd lines, which is where I think Stempniak would excel.

You want to bring Butler into the conversation then fine. (I think you have a man crush on him or something. The obsession seems unhealthy.) Saying Stempniak is a top 9 guy who can briefly fill in a top 6 role when injuries roll around is like saying Chris Butler is a top 6 defenseman who can briefly fill in a top 4 when someone gets injured, which I think is a very fair assessment of both players.

I believe Hartley is giving Stempniak so much ice time so at year end when he is doing his exit interview he can tell Burke that the line up that Burke gave him was soooooooo bad that he was forced to play a plug like Stempniak 19 minutes a game.

Your logic is flawed just based on the fact Brian Burke didn't give him this line up. Burke inherited this line-up from Feaster.

Stempniak is playing 19 minutes because:
1) The Flames have a bunch of kinds who need a bit of sheltering from other teams best players. Stempniak is a shield for some of these players.
2) He is a versatile forward. He can play in all 3 zones and be used in both special teams situations if need be.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

Depends on the market really. If I had to find a comparable in recent years to Stempniak I would say Chris Kelly, who got a second round pick out of Boston.



Maybe he will bring back a 2nd, maybe something like a 3rd + or a 4th +. The fact that you think his value is closer to a conditional 7th means, at least in my eyes, you're judging Stempniak on what he has done the last 12 games of his career and you are definitely someone who allows stats to morph your opinion.




What does Butler have to do with this? Nothing, that's what.



How many times this year have you thought to yourself "You're positioning is garbage." or "you got beat cleanly" or "what a terrible pass to get out of your zone. Way to turn the puck over." about Lee Stempniak. Honestly, not once off the top of my head, though I am sure it has happened a few times because, quite frankly, no player is perfect and mistakes will happen.

Stempniak's -17 in 24 games is probably more of a product of the position Stempniak has in within the lineup, and less to do with Stempniak's defensive play as a whole.

Firstly this team's goaltending, while good, has been probably about average or maybe slightly above depending on the game. There's no Miika Kiprusoff out there making glorious save after glorious save to make up for his teams mistakes.

Secondly the teams defensive structure as a whole, while better lately, is still something left to be desired. It happens, the teams young and in a time of transition.

Lastly, and this is probably the most important part, Stempniak is being thrust into a position over his head because the Flames lack better options. For a number of games he was on the top line (With Stajan and Cammalleri) playing against other teams top players. Stempniak is not a top line player. Like I said previously he is a top 9 player, who can get really hot (14 goals in 14 games with the Coyotes after the Leafs trade in 2010).

In my opinion Lee Stempniak's +/- is more of a reflection of the team around him than how Stempniak is playing defensively. He's not perfect but I would say he is pretty solid.



Besides the obvious point of "There are a lot of other teams that are out of the playoffs that would have Stempniak in their top 9." completely debunking your claim of


There are definitely a couple of play-off bound teams who could use a versatile guy like Lee Stempniak to round out their top 9. The Pittsburgh Penguins and Colorado Avalanche are 2 of the more likely teams, in my opinion, could use another forward. In Pittsburgh's case they could probably use 2.


No it is not. Top 9 players can play against guys matched on other teams 3rd lines, which is where I think Stempniak would excel.

You want to bring Butler into the conversation then fine. (I think you have a man crush on him or something. The obsession seems unhealthy.) Saying Stempniak is a top 9 guy who can briefly fill in a top 6 role when injuries roll around is like saying Chris Butler is a top 6 defenseman who can briefly fill in a top 4 when someone gets injured, which I think is a very fair assessment of both players.



Your logic is flawed just based on the fact Brian Burke didn't give him this line up. Burke inherited this line-up from Feaster.

Stempniak is playing 19 minutes because:
1) The Flames have a bunch of kinds who need a bit of sheltering from other teams best players. Stempniak is a shield for some of these players.
2) He is a versatile forward. He can play in all 3 zones and be used in both special teams situations if need be.

Chris Kelly is a great example..

For Stempniak to get to the point that Kelly was when he went to Boston for a 2nd round pick he needs to get 6 goals 10 points and go +7 in his next 23 games while dropping down to 15 minutes / game and 10 seconds/game on the PP.

Kelly was playing on a Ottawa team that was equally as bad as this years Flames team. He was playing on a line with Jarko Ruttu and Neil.

Nobody is going to look at Stempniak and say that he might be the missing ingredient to drive the 3rd line with Ryder and Peverly.