2014 Draft Picks

[Crumpy-Gunt]

I know its very early and we still dont know what this team will play like over 82 games or where they will finish. I think we should begin acquiring picks as soon as teams are willing to let them go. Namely 1st rounders from this upcoming draft and/or the next one.

Currently on our roster, how many players do you think individually are worth a 1st round pick? How about a 2nd? What is Stajan worth roughly? Wideman has been playing well for us and is on a great contract but I wonder what he would return.

Obviously Cammalleri is not playing and will need to bounce back from his injury well to keep his value and reputation deserving of that kind of trade return.

Do you guys feel like it would be worth it to (at some point this season, ie not now) trade 2 or more of these higher value but older players?

I think we should quite simply because they are not irreplaceable in FA and they could fetch some pretty good picks.

My dream scenario is the flames trade Glencross and Cammalleri each for a 1st rounder + maybe a lower value prospect if we can squeeze that in.

If we could end up drafting 6 times in the 1st rounds of the 2013 + 2014 drafts I would say that would be more valuable then the leadership or mentoring / sticking up for the young guys that we would need these older players for.

Another thing is with Gaudreau hopefully turning pro after this season we should clear out at least one spot at LW for him and maybe another for Klimchuk or a UFA/RFA LW.

This would be a major win for the Flames and would put the bad excuse of a hockey club North of us to shame for the way they have drafted and developed the 3 first overall picks they managed in their 'rebuild' (tanking).

I'd even take a cap dump like Liles for 1-3 years in exchange for a 1st or 2nd.

I think we could still avoid tanking and being horrible without scoreface or camel, who have not been a huge part of our surprising start so far.

What do you guys think? Too early? Keep them around for the young players?

I say get as many 1st rounders as we can and dont even think about trading ours.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

I know its very early

Yep.

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[JiriHrdina]

Glencross as a NTC.

[kyuss275]

The only chance i see of Calgary getting another 1st rounder is if Cammi comes back and plays like the Cammi of old.

I doubt Glencross would waive mid-season. I like Stempniak but i highly doubt he gets a 1st rounder.

Also if Toronto was offering a 1st or 2nd to take Liles, he would probably already be a flame.

[Freeway]

Depends entirely on other teams' needs. Two or three teams could bid a player's value up.

[spennywalks]

we have plenty of LW's i would like to see the flames acquire a right winger through the draft or possibly convert someone to the right side?

[ToraToraTora]

Also, it's been said before, but do we really want to well and truly gut this team, getting rid of all of our established NHLer veterans? Then we just become the oilers, mired in less-than-mediocrity.

Maybe we'll get a TV show about our rebuild. 20 season run.

[Freeway]

Cammalleri makes the most sense to move - he's small, he's a left winger, so he's basically an older Gaudreau that you can flip for picks.

I can see arguments for holding onto just about everyone else.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The only chance i see of Calgary getting another 1st rounder is if Cammi comes back and plays like the Cammi of old.

Even a average Cammelleri should be able to garner a 1st rounder in return since the draft is considered weaker this year. The Flames might have to pick up some salary because even at the deadline some teams will be close to the cap. The only worry is injuries, he's needs to be 100% by the deadline.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

I can see us getting a 2nd for Stempniak.
1st for Cammalleri
Trade scoreface to Nashville or Dallas so he can be a cowboy or rodeo man down there. Im sure he would waive his NTC if one of those was clearly in the playoffs at the deadline. I think Glencross is very overrated by this fanbase, not a good leader at all in my opinion and he reminds me so much of Bork it pisses me off to see him still here.

I dont understand people saying that we will become like the oilers if we 'gut this team of its remaining leaders'.

Giordano is our leader, he is staying. Not Cammalleri, or Glencross or Stempniak. We can replace those 3 with players who work even harder and have better leadership qualities. No I dont think Camel or scoreface are irreplacable leaders. That is bs. I like Stemps because he is more consistent and works his butt off.

Anyhow I think we (Beaster) should bend over some GMs for 1st/2nd round picks this year. Or grab some highly rated young players of previous drafts ala Ty Rattie to play RW with Baer and Mono. Or Cammalleri and a 3rd for Matt Dumba?

I dont know if these 2 players would even be available, they are just examples of the kind of trades I think we should be going for high ceiling young players who havent broken through too big in the NHL or 1st/2nd rounders.

[albertGQ]

I think Glencross stays. Cammy and Stajan will be gone before the end of the season

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

I know its very early and we still dont know what this team will play like over 82 games or where they will finish. I think we should begin acquiring picks as soon as teams are willing to let them go. Namely 1st rounders from this upcoming draft and/or the next one.

Currently on our roster, how many players do you think individually are worth a 1st round pick? How about a 2nd? What is Stajan worth roughly? Wideman has been playing well for us and is on a great contract but I wonder what he would return.

Obviously Cammalleri is not playing and will need to bounce back from his injury well to keep his value and reputation deserving of that kind of trade return.

Do you guys feel like it would be worth it to (at some point this season, ie not now) trade 2 or more of these higher value but older players?

I think we should quite simply because they are not irreplaceable in FA and they could fetch some pretty good picks.

My dream scenario is the flames trade Glencross and Cammalleri each for a 1st rounder + maybe a lower value prospect if we can squeeze that in.

If we could end up drafting 6 times in the 1st rounds of the 2013 + 2014 drafts I would say that would be more valuable then the leadership or mentoring / sticking up for the young guys that we would need these older players for.

Another thing is with Gaudreau hopefully turning pro after this season we should clear out at least one spot at LW for him and maybe another for Klimchuk or a UFA/RFA LW.

This would be a major win for the Flames and would put the bad excuse of a hockey club North of us to shame for the way they have drafted and developed the 3 first overall picks they managed in their 'rebuild' (tanking).

I'd even take a cap dump like Liles for 1-3 years in exchange for a 1st or 2nd.

I think we could still avoid tanking and being horrible without scoreface or camel, who have not been a huge part of our surprising start so far.

What do you guys think? Too early? Keep them around for the young players?

I say get as many 1st rounders as we can and dont even think about trading ours.

This is a crappy draft compared to 2013 so I'm not sure getting oodles of picks in a middling draft is going to help us in our quest to rebuild. 2014 looks a lot more like 2012 than last year. Yeah, we will move players for picks but a first rounder this year might be the equivalent of a second rounder last year given the drop off in talent.

[The Yen Man]

Plus, do you really want to have your team with so little experience? I can't see how a team can be successful if the majority of them are 18-21.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Plus, do you really want to have your team with so little experience? I can't see how a team can be successful if the majority of them are 18-21.

The majority of them wouldnt be 18-21. We would keep a lot of older guys and also add experienced FAs to replace the ones moved out as mentioned above.


Also I understand some drafts are obviously wealthier than others in terms of top level talent or highly touted players.. but there are great players in every draft. Plus I like the way we have been drafting and feel like we could get 3 players as good/promising as mono/poirier/klimchuk this season if we got 3 1st rounders. There are some very good and highly rated players in this draft, Ekblad, Reinhart, Mckeown, Ritchie, Bennet, Ho-sang, Vrana, Draistatl, Nylander, etc.

I hate when people say 'this is a weak draft'..these same people probably hoped we got shinkaruk and dont watch junior hockey and sit around reading expert opinions on drafts.

I think this will be a good draft with a lot of top level talent in the first 20 picks.

Just because there is no McKinnon/Jones or MacDavid doesnt mean it is a weak draft.

A lot of 2014 elegible players are off to great starts this season and are very highly rated. For example Warren Rychel, spitfires GM who has been around the likes of Stamkos, Tavares and Hall in Juniors has said that Josh Ho-Sang is the deadliest 1 on 1 player he has ever seen in junior. He is hard to play and has incredible hands. The funny thing is this player is rated 15-20 in the mock drafts I have seen.

“He gets you out of your seat,” Rychel says. “I think of all the guys I’ve seen since I’ve been here — (Steven) Stamkos, (Taylor) Hall, (John) Tavares — he’s the deadliest I’ve ever seen one-on-one with a goalie. He puts pucks away like nobody I’ve seen at that age.”

It will be a very good draft.

[thymebalm]

Right now I'm in the mood to expel the following players from our club. Here's my guess as to their value.

Joey Macdonald - 7th round
Brian McGrattan - 7th round
Chris Butler - 7th round
Shane O'Brien - 6th round
Michael Cammalleri - 1st round (top 15)
Curtis Glencross - 1st round (bottom 15)

I think I would keep everyone else. I'd like to keep Glencross, and he has a NMC, so I expect we will... but man is he playing like ####e lately.

Not saying we should trade for picks... prospects would be fine, too. Just no Modins, no post-apex, nothing like that.

[Miniac]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

Right now I'm in the mood to expel the following players from our club. Here's my guess as to their value.

Joey Macdonald - 7th round
Brian McGrattan - 7th round
Chris Butler - 7th round
Shane O'Brien - 6th round
Michael Cammalleri - 1st round (top 15)
Curtis Glencross - 1st round (bottom 15)

I think I would keep everyone else. I'd like to keep Glencross, and he has a NMC, so I expect we will... but man is he playing like ####e lately.

Not saying we should trade for picks... prospects would be fine, too. Just no Modins, no post-apex, nothing like that.

If that's the best we can get for Glencross, I rather keep him too. No rush in trading him away with still another year left on his contract. Still lots of time, if not this trade deadline than next summer/trade deadline.

[You Need a Thneed]

Cammellari, Stajan, and Stemoniak are UFAs at the end of the year. If the team does not intend to re-sign any of them, that player should be traded. I think at least two of them should be traded, if not all three.

Depending on how each of them play this year, each of them could bring in a first rounder. Stajan and Stempniak were worth first rounders for the way they were playing last year. Cammelari type players are usually worth first rounders at the deadline.

Of course it depends on the market at the deadline.

[codynw]

I'd like to see Stempniak stay, he's looked great so far this year and the team is real weak at RW.

Stajan and Cammalleri can go though.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

With the ammount of cap space we have, there will be no problem adding veteran leadership.

+ Bottom 15 of the 1st round in this upcoming draft is very very worth GlenX in my opinion.
Depending on your scouting staff there are still really good players ala Poirier in that range.

Come on Beaster - get us 2 more 1st round picks or even take a swipe at a team who we think could be a lottery pick in 2015. I'd give the Devils a mid - late 1st in 2014 and a meh prospect for their first rounder in 2015. Maybe they would do it because they are forfeiting a pick this year :P. How awsm that would be if we got McDavid that way.

[Anduril]

Strange to say Cammy, an addition for a playoff/cup bound team would somehow get us a 15th or higher pick. Maybe if you meant 1st+ in terms of value, sure. I certainly see at least a 1st and a B prospect or a 3rd depending on his performance.