[Game Takes] Knights 5 Flames 0

[Bingo]

Knights 5 Flames 0

- Flames with a solid first period, but then rough the rest of the way
- Calgarian Hill with the shut out
- Flames lose their third straight

[Roof-Daddy]

Tank is back on

[ComixZone]

Hard to argue with what you wrote about Zary. Unquestionably the best Flame, and that’s cool to see because he’s really the only person on the entire roster who you can focus in on and think “yeah, in three years time he could be an important piece”.

I really hope the Flames do sell high on Andersson this season. Whatever else happens, happens - but I think Raz isn’t going to want to sign a contract with the the Flames that most people would deem ‘fair’, and he’ll be 30 years old a few months after inking that contract. Extract maximum value, which with how he’s playing right now could be quite the haul.

[icarus]

I thought the Flames were okay in the first period but still didn't generate much offensively and making turnovers. I thought they played their best in the early party of the third before the floodgates opened.

Agree that Zary had it going tonight. He's gonna break out as a star soon.

[Claes]

0% xGf by Kirkland is a new one for me. Very rough game for him it sounds like.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Claes

0% xGf by Kirkland is a new one for me. Very rough game for him it sounds like.

Hasn't his xGf been very low for a number of games?

[EVERLAST]

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Burn the tape move on and learn from it .
You win or you learn as wolf says .

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Hasn't his xGf been very low for a number of games?

He's had atrocious numbers in three of the lats 5 games. Decent against Carolina and excellent against Winnipeg.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Hard to argue with what you wrote about Zary. Unquestionably the best Flame, and that’s cool to see because he’s really the only person on the entire roster who you can focus in on and think “yeah, in three years time he could be an important piece”.

I really hope the Flames do sell high on Andersson this season. Whatever else happens, happens - but I think Raz isn’t going to want to sign a contract with the the Flames that most people would deem ‘fair’, and he’ll be 30 years old a few months after inking that contract. Extract maximum value, which with how he’s playing right now could be quite the haul.

I don't really get the sell on Andersson theory. We need players that can produce, and he's a guy that should age reasonably well at a position where impact players are hard to come by. There's no reason to think he or Weegar can't be top 3 level blueliners for another 5 years, which would align exactly with what this team is doing.

You don't want to throw guys like Parekh and Hunter B into a complete dumpster fire and you definitely don't want Wolf playing behind an absolute gong show either. The below would be pretty stout with a great mix of experience and skill sets in 1-2 seasons.

Parekh-Andersson
Weegar-Bruz
Bahl-Morin
Miromanov

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I don't really get the sell on Andersson theory. We need players that can produce, and he's a guy that should age reasonably well at a position where impact players are hard to come by. There's no reason to think he or Weegar can't be top 3 level blueliners for another 5-6 years, which would align exactly with what this team is doing.

You don't want to throw guys like Parekh and Hunter B into a complete dumpster fire and you definitely don't want Wolf playing behind an absolute gong show either. The below would be pretty stout with a great mix of experience and skill sets in 1-2 seasons.

Parekh-Andersson
Weegar-Bruz
Bahl-Morin
Miromanov

Calgary likely won't be relevant for 5 years, at which time Andersson and Weegar will not be..

Unless you think Calgary's draft picks to come will be impact players right off the bat? Which seldom occurs especially for picks that are not at the top of the draft.

Andersson will likely require an 8 year contract to stay. That should not be in the Flame's cards.

I get the thought that you would like Calgary to remain semi-competitive during the growing years. But that hurts the rebuild by losing the draft capital they would get for trading them, and making the draft picks that much worse. Keeping them will simply prolong the rebuild years. They may be less painful, but it will be longer.

Calgary needs impact players.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calgary likely won't be relevant for 5 years, at which time Andersson and Weegar will not be..

Unless you think Calgary's draft picks to come will be impact players right off the bat? Which seldom occurs especially for picks that are not at the top of the draft.

Andersson will likely require an 8 year contract to stay. That should not be in the Flame's cards.

I get the thought that you would like Calgary to remain semi-competitive during the growing years. But that hurts the rebuild by losing the draft capital they would get for trading them, and making the draft picks that much worse. Keeping them will simply prolong the rebuild years. They may be less painful, but it will be longer.

Calgary needs impact players.

It has nothing to do with being semi competitive. This team isn't going to be competitive as constructed now other than being in hockey games versus getting rolled every night (which is good). Any illusion to that fact is misguided from a hot start that is simply not going to continue based on this roster and underlying numbers.

Parekh, Bruz and whoever they presumably take high this year are all going to be on the roster as early as next year and needing to play with players that can play a lot sooner than 5 years from now. Ditto for Wolf in terms of not getting shelled every night too.

A first overall pick would be great, but firing off everyone doesn't guarantee you're getting that pick, and if you're picking in the top 6-7 for the next 2 years anyway (which they will be regardless of further personel moves) you will be landing premium talent at key positions that will be playing sooner than later.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Claes

0% xGf by Kirkland is a new one for me. Very rough game for him it sounds like.

He's a great "feel good" story.

He's just not an NHLer.

[Shazam]

Kirkland was exceptionally bad last night. I mean everybody got their head kicked in but VGK really seemed to key on that line.

[Lewis_D]

Looking forward to tomorrow night so we can forget about this one.

[Enoch Root]

I am fine trading Andersson, if the return warrants it. I am also fine extending him, for a reasonable price.

But keeping Andersson isn't about being semi-competitive, it's about showing the young guys how to be NHLers. It is better for a player's development to be on the 2nd or 3rd pairing, with easier matchups, and the ability to watch top-pairing guys be top pairing guys, than it is to throw the kids onto the top pairing and give them matchups they aren't ready for (like Buffalo is doing with Dahlin and Power).

It's also fine to have Honzek and Coronato and Pelletier in the A. Development takes time and requires patience.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am fine trading Andersson, if the return warrants it. I am also fine extending him, for a reasonable price.

But keeping Andersson isn't about being semi-competitive, it's about showing the young guys how to be NHLers. It is better for a player's development to be on the 2nd or 3rd pairing, with easier matchups, and the ability to watch top-pairing guys be top pairing guys, than it is to throw the kids onto the top pairing and give them matchups they aren't ready for (like Buffalo is doing with Dahlin and Power).

It's also fine to have Honzek and Coronato and Pelletier in the A. Development takes time and requires patience.

It's been said 1000 times, but many do not want to hear it.
The NHL is not a development league.

[Enoch Root]

Zary hated it (which is an entirely appropriate response) but it made him a better player.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think there are 3 opportunities to trade Rasmus.
1. This year's deadline to take advantage of the team getting 1.25 years from him at a great rate, and a full year to tyr and re-sign him
2. Off-season
3. Next year's deadline or in advance of it.

You probably get the most by doing it at the first one. But my point is none of those are now. I don't think now is an optimal time to trade him at all. The market is to constrained. He could be the #1 target at this year's deadline.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am fine trading Andersson, if the return warrants it. I am also fine extending him, for a reasonable price.

But keeping Andersson isn't about being semi-competitive, it's about showing the young guys how to be NHLers. It is better for a player's development to be on the 2nd or 3rd pairing, with easier matchups, and the ability to watch top-pairing guys be top pairing guys, than it is to throw the kids onto the top pairing and give them matchups they aren't ready for (like Buffalo is doing with Dahlin and Power).

It's also fine to have Honzek and Coronato and Pelletier in the A. Development takes time and requires patience.

Exactly.

Does a young player develop better or worse on a team that gets absolutely filled in every night for three years?

Does a young player develop better or worse on a team that has good players showing them how to manage highs and lows, and become professional hockey players?

If the answer to both is "doesn't matter" then by all means max out assets and trade everyone.

If the the answer is "better" meaning there is "some" value in keeping "some" players around to show them the way than you'd better factor that parameter into the equation.

I believe it's a factor. I have no idea how impactful that factor is, but it certainly isn't zero or negative.

[traptor]

I've changed my tune on Rasmus too.

You need some vets to insulate the kids.
Outside of Weegar we don't have anything on the backend.

If Flames keep sliding you won't be able to find a decent UFA to replace him.

Have 2 vet D doesn't feel like it's clogging too much.


Forward wise we have enough vets though. I rrally hope they don't sign Kuzmenko or Mantha.