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Jets4Life · 08-06-2016, 02:14 PM

hello,

I am wondering if there is any way to fight a ticket for failing to produce vehicle registration. My vehicle is validly insured and registered. Unfortunately, while I located the insurance, I misplaced the registration. After receiving the ticket, I located it in the side panel of the passenger seat.

Its under 167 (1)(b) of the Alberta Traffic Safety Act. Would I be able to fight this ticket since I do have valid registration? Or does the law state that you need to produce a copy of the registration at the moment a Police Officer requests it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

BlackArcher101 · 08-06-2016, 02:18 PM

You don't really have a basis to fight it, as it's a failure to provide documentation when requested, not a ticket for an unregistered vehicle. Proving you were in fact registered at the time they requested the document does nothing as they already know you were.

You can probably plea to get a lesser fine, but I don't think you have a chance of fighting it.

Those that I've known get the same ticket for failing to provide proof of insurance are unable to get it thrown out by providing proof after the fact. That's only useful if for some reason they give you a ticket for having no insurance, tow your vehicle, etc, but in fact you did have coverage.

There is the odd case where I nice officer will give you the option of coming to the station and proving you now have the document in the car, and then void the ticket, but that's pretty rare.

calgaryblood · 08-06-2016, 03:02 PM

Like the above poster said, you need to have a copy of registration on you which to me makes no sense but that's the law I guess.

Don't see why you'd need to have it on you since wouldn't the police know if you were properly registered by pulling up your license plate?

But yeah don't see how you could fight it and win.

Huntingwhale · 08-06-2016, 03:43 PM

Same thing happened to me a while back. The crown told me that I migth have had registration, but it has to be available to show when asked for. That is what the charge is for.

He reduced it for me and I went on my way.

Coach · 08-06-2016, 07:05 PM

It really is pretty dumb. I mean, isnt that what a license plate is for? And a computer?

CorsiHockeyLeague · 08-06-2016, 07:12 PM

In BC, they used to give you 24 hours to produce the information (license, registration). Nobody does that anymore it seems... unfortunately for me, since I'm terrible for forgetting my wallet at home or in my office. I had a similar thing a few months back but the officer gave me a warning, thankfully. This seems like one of those things where you just have to suck it up and make sure you've got all the required documentation in the future.

Amethyst · 08-06-2016, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jets4Life

Its under 167 (1)(b) of the Alberta Traffic Safety Act. Would I be able to fight this ticket since I do have valid registration? Or does the law state that you need to produce a copy of the registration at the moment a Police Officer requests it? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I don't think so, if the ticket is for failing to provide, as opposed to failing to have registration.

Cole436 · 08-06-2016, 09:00 PM

I actually made this exact thread almost 6 years ago.

Really the only thing you can do is go down to the courthouse and they'll probably reduce it to half.

jammies · 08-07-2016, 09:22 AM

Ask the officer if you can exit your car, walk around to the back, point at the little sticker on the license plate, "there's my proof".

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CorsiHockeyLeague · 08-07-2016, 09:29 AM

^ Definitely. Do that. Let us know how it works out for you.

jammies · 08-07-2016, 09:58 AM

All the way to the Supreme Court, homies. Is a license plate not "written"?

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Derek Sutton · 08-07-2016, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

It really is pretty dumb. I mean, isnt that what a license plate is for? And a computer?

Well since licence plates can be very easily stolen, no. And not all law enforcement carry computers. How hard is it really to have your insurance and registration in that little pouch in the glove box? It really is part of the responsibility of owning a car.

DownhillGoat · 08-07-2016, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

How hard is it really to have your insurance and registration in that little pouch in the glove box?

This came up in a previous thread (crime? GMG? Don't remember), but the car is the last place I'd leave my insurance/registration.

Erick Estrada · 08-07-2016, 10:12 AM

You are lucky you got a ticket and they didn't impound your car. Just go to court and produce proof you had valid registration at the time of the ticket. I once got a $230 ticket for having an expired insurance pink slip and went to court with proof I had insurance and got off.

Derek Sutton · 08-07-2016, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kunkstyle

This came up in a previous thread (crime? GMG? Don't remember), but the car is the last place I'd leave my insurance/registration.

Where do you keep it? do you have a wallet like George Costanza?

Amethyst · 08-07-2016, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kunkstyle

This came up in a previous thread (crime? GMG? Don't remember), but the car is the last place I'd leave my insurance/registration.

Yes, never leave your papers in your car. Also, if it does get stolen while your car is parked somewhere else, the thieves know your address and that you aren't home.

Derek Sutton · 08-07-2016, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Amethyst

Yes, never leave your papers in your car. Also, if it does get stolen while your car is parked somewhere else, the thieves know your address and that you aren't home.

Not worried, I always leave my dog in the car so nobody breaks in.

DownhillGoat · 08-07-2016, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Where do you keep it? do you have a wallet like George Costanza?

No, it's a pretty thin wallet. Reg for 2 vehicles and insurance takes up less volume than a credit card. I don't even notice it.

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Originally Posted by Amethyst

Yes, never leave your papers in your car. Also, if it does get stolen while your car is parked somewhere else, the thieves know your address and that you aren't home.

Agreed. And to expand, how many people leave their garage door opener in the car? So whoever breaks in now has the opener and where you live.

There's literally nothing in my car that can be traced back to my name or address.

Also, if the car is stolen and driven, if your papers are in the glove box and the driver happens to get pulled over, that's the first place he'll look, and it makes it that much harder for you to get your car back.

GGG · 08-07-2016, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Amethyst

Yes, never leave your papers in your car. Also, if it does get stolen while your car is parked somewhere else, the thieves know your address and that you aren't home.

This to me crosses over into reasons I have insurance. It's something not worth worrying about

From a risk point of view it doesn't make sense either. The risk of insurance not being in my car and getting a ticket is far greater than it getting stolen and the stolen person then going to rob your house.

GGG · 08-07-2016, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Amethyst

Yes, never leave your papers in your car. Also, if it does get stolen while your car is parked somewhere else, the thieves know your address and that you aren't home.

This to me crosses over into reasons I have insurance. It's something not worth worrying about

From a risk point of view it doesn't make sense either. The risk of insurance not being in my car and getting a ticket is far greater than it getting stolen and the stolen person then going to rob your house.

Also the risk of losing your wallet it getting pickpocket is probably greater than your insurance getting stolen from your car