An unfortunate situation and obviously causing quite the controversy.
Warning: shows the dog being shot and killed.
Now of course it's getting attention. I'm surprised at how many people are blaming the officer though. As a dog owner and lover, it's super unfortunate but how is this not entirely on the owner?
First and foremost, this was a hostage situation. Driving up, music blaring and trying to antagonize the police force while they are trying to save innocent people is incredibly selfish. Hate the cops all you want, try to make it a race issue any other chance you get but this isn't a fat cop picking on some skateboarding teenagers, innocent peoples lifes are at risk. If they ask you to turn down your music, turn it down. It's obvious the police didn't take issue with any of the other bystanders standing around and videotaping, yet people seem to think that was the issue they had with this individual. it wasn't.
The legality of what he was doing and how the officers responded to it can be discussed, but I don't see how the owner isn't a complete ####### here.
As for the dog, it's a rottweiler. It did nothing wrong, it looked happy and nice but to him some guys were laying hands on his master and of course it's going to get aggressive. An aggressive 90 pound rottweiler isn't a good thing, look up rottweiler attacks on Google image if you want your day ruined. So, we can say the officer was stupid for trying to get the dog under control by going for the leash but it could have been much worse having that dog offleash and excited near the officers and bystanders. It sucks, but when it went to attack that was it, not much choice left.
And of course if the owner didn't need to show off how awesome he is with his loud music the officers might not have cared enough for him to bother at all. And even if they did, the windows wouldn't have been rolled completely down for the dog to jump through.
An unfortunate situation and obviously causing quite the controversy.
And of course if the owner didn't need to show off how awesome he is with his loud music the officers might not have cared enough for him to bother at all. And even if they did, the windows wouldn't have been rolled completely down for the dog to jump through.
The shooting of the dog was justified in the circumstances but the police created those circumstances for themselves, which was completely unavoidable. What the hell did that guy do, record the police and so they arrested him? WTF.
Also, playing loud music should not be a reason to be arrested, that's just ridiculous.
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The shooting of the dog was justified in the circumstances but the police created those circumstances for themselves, which was completely unavoidable. What the hell did that guy do, record the police and so they arrested him? WTF.
Also, playing loud music should not be a reason to be arrested, that's just ridiculous.
Not arrested, detained. And they said they were having issues communicating...during a hostage situation. Armed man in house, can't hear what's going on because some asshat needs to play his music as loud as possible? The guy is scum.
"I do apologize if I didn't immediately comply. The music may have been a little loud but I was complying," Rosby said. "I said, 'Sir, I want to make sure nobody's civil rights were being violated.' "
A neighbor, who asked not to be identified, said the officers asked him to turn the music down, but he refused. Rosby, she said, responded, "It's my (expletive) radio!"
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He said Monday he believed police were retaliating against him because of previous run-ins and struggles with officers. Court records show he has previous convictions for resisting, battery and driving under the influence. Rosby, who is black, said he has filed six complaints against the Hawthorne Police Department, alleging mistreatment and racial profiling.
Rosby filed a lawsuit against the city of Hawthorne and two police officers in March, contending officers broke one of his ribs when they responded to a domestic violence disturbance at his house, not far from the dog shooting scene.
"There's been a pattern of harassment against him and other African-Americans in Hawthorne," said Rosby's attorney, Michael Gulden. "Last July, the police responded to his home and beat him unnecessarily, then threw him in jail for no reason. We sued for that. We'll amend that complaint to include the dog incident."
The owner sounds like a trouble-seeking moron. The dog, unfortunately, picked the wrong owner.
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"I do apologize if I didn't immediately comply. The music may have been a little loud but I was complying," Rosby said. "I said, 'Sir, I want to make sure nobody's civil rights were being violated.' "
A neighbor, who asked not to be identified, said the officers asked him to turn the music down, but he refused. Rosby, she said, responded, "It's my (expletive) radio!"
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He said Monday he believed police were retaliating against him because of previous run-ins and struggles with officers. Court records show he has previous convictions for resisting, battery and driving under the influence. Rosby, who is black, said he has filed six complaints against the Hawthorne Police Department, alleging mistreatment and racial profiling.
Rosby filed a lawsuit against the city of Hawthorne and two police officers in March, contending officers broke one of his ribs when they responded to a domestic violence disturbance at his house, not far from the dog shooting scene.
"There's been a pattern of harassment against him and other African-Americans in Hawthorne," said Rosby's attorney, Michael Gulden. "Last July, the police responded to his home and beat him unnecessarily, then threw him in jail for no reason. We sued for that. We'll amend that complaint to include the dog incident."
The owner sounds like a trouble-seeking moron. The dog, unfortunately, picked the wrong owner.
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The idiot went there to pick a fight, probably not knowing that during that kind of situation the cops aren't going to mess around.
The guy is a grade a class moron being disruptive and stupid during a tense situation.
I agreed with Cow, the dog paid the price for his owners stupidity.
Chances are he'll get some soft headed judge during a civil trial and clean up on settlement.
The cops should have taken his radio and jammed it up his butt.
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It really really sucks (and made me want to blast the cop in the knees with a shotgun).
Why the cop and not the owner? I just don't understand.
These aren't cops looking for a fight, they were there because a man with a gun was threatening innocent people. Now they can't hear, have a guy calling them racists and causing a disruption, and finally they have a loose dog rottweiler coming at them.
That poor Rotti. It was just trying to protect it's owner. It didn't know that its owner was an idiot. If the owner would have been responsible he would have rolled up the windows high enough that the dog could not get out.
I feel for the police officer. There was no way for him to know the intentions of a powerful breed of dog and he was just looking out for the safety of the officers.
Why the cop and not the owner? I just don't understand.
These aren't cops looking for a fight, they were there because a man with a gun was threatening innocent people. Now they can't hear, have a guy calling them racists and causing a disruption, and finally they have a loose dog rottweiler coming at them.
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Reading the story made me want to blast the owner in the knees with a shotgun.
It just reads like the idiot was there to pick a fight with the cops, and did everything in his power to do it.
His dog paid the price for his owners actions.
I feel bad for the dog.
I don't think the owner was innocent at all. I just posted what my reaction was.
The owner may have started the situation, but it was the police officer who shot the dog.
I guess I hold trained police officers to a higher standard than I do some random person on the street.
I don't think the owner was innocent at all. I just posted what my reaction was.
The owner may have started the situation, but it was the police officer who shot the dog.
I guess I hold trained police officers to a higher standard than I do some random person on the street.
So an agiated dog, showing signs of attacking the officers arresting his owner is not ok to shoot?
Would it be ok for the officer to shoot a person coming at them with a knife? That is what I compare the dog to, and I think the officer was justified in their action.
Sucks for the dog, but this situation could have been pretty bad if action wasn't taken.
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What standard is that? (Not meant to sound like some snarky rhetorical question, genuine question).
I'm not really sure how to quantify it, but I would expect a police officer (much less a group of 3 of them) to attempt to defuse the situation before opting to just shoot the dog.
Likely, not a very good explanation, but that's what I've got.
It's a shame that the only innocent party in this event was the one that got shot.
So an agiated dog, showing signs of attacking the officers arresting his owner is not ok to shoot?
Would it be ok for the officer to shoot a person coming at them with a knife? That is what I compare the dog to, and I think the officer was justified in their action.
Sucks for the dog, but this situation could have been pretty bad if action wasn't taken.
I would compare it to something different.. more along the lines of someone jumping in to defend someone who is being attacked by a gang. In fact, the only justifiable action I see is the dog attacking the police officers in defense of his owner.
Police detain someone for no legitimate reason, creating the dangerous situation.
Be it because he had loud music playing or because he was recording the police, they had no right to detain or arrest him.
The guy doesn't resist, but they still decide to manhandle him.
Dog jumps out of the car to defend his owner from being attacked.
Had it been a legitimate arrest (perhaps if he had been doing something against the law), then I could see the shooting of the dog being in a grey area, but given that there was no reason (as near as I can tell) for them to arrest him, then I'll continue to put the blame for the situation on the police officer.
You have the worst arguments ever - try and defuse a situation with a dog that is attacking you? How do you propose that he does that - talking quietly to the dog, stroking his back and giving him a milk bone, it isn't a person that can be reasoned with. It is a dog. It sucks that the dog was shot, but an aggressive dog that is attacking a police officer, particularly a big dog that can cause major injury with it's teeth, is going to get shot. The police officer was left with no other option without putting his health and safety in jeopardy - and from the video it actually looked like he tried to calm the dog first as well as use a Taser on the dog.
As for a legitimate arrest - you don't know the specifics based on a three minute youtube clip, but based upon the history the guy was going into a potentially violent situation (look at the police with the weapons that were present and drawn), had very loud music playing, and frankly looked like he was getting in the way. The police didn't manhandle him, they arrested him, likely for disrupting the peace or something along those lines, something that they have every right to do as police officers.
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I'm not really sure how to quantify it, but I would expect a police officer (much less a group of 3 of them) to attempt to defuse the situation before opting to just shoot the dog.
Likely, not a very good explanation, but that's what I've got.
It's a shame that the only innocent party in this event was the one that got shot.
As terrible as it is, I do consider what he did defusing the situation. As much as I love animals, you got innocent bystanders, co-officers, a defenseless man with his arms handcuffed behind his back, little or no information and an aggressive rottweiler with a split second to make a decision. That's not a good mix and I don't blame him for his decision. In the end no one person was harmed, that might not have been the case if he didn't pull out his gun.
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I would compare it to something different.. more along the lines of someone jumping in to defend someone who is being attacked by a gang. In fact, the only justifiable action I see is the dog attacking the police officers in defense of his owner.
Police detain someone for no legitimate reason, creating the dangerous situation.
Be it because he had loud music playing or because he was recording the police, they had no right to detain or arrest him.
The guy doesn't resist, but they still decide to manhandle him.
Dog jumps out of the car to defend his owner from being attacked.
Had it been a legitimate arrest (perhaps if he had been doing something against the law), then I could see the shooting of the dog being in a grey area, but given that there was no reason (as near as I can tell) for them to arrest him, then I'll continue to put the blame for the situation on the police officer.
Obstruction of justice? Even the dog-owner admits he didn't comply with their orders to turn down the music. I think that's getting overlooked, the officers didn't want to have him turn down the music because they weren't fans of Usher. It was because they couldn't communicate effectively in an extremely dangerous situation. The fact that people are bringing up him filming the police, when we know there were ton of people taking videos as well (hence the video) that weren't bothered with at all seems to be a pretty crazy stretch.
And then comparing the officers legally detaining someone to being attacked by a gang is something I don't quite grasp.
I think, for the most part, everyone agrees the dog did nothing wrong trying to protect his owner and it sucks he died but I just can't blame the officer.
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You seem to be latching on to this "recording the police" thing as a reason why the cops are mad. It CLEARLY isn't, considering they didn't arrest/detain the 10 other people quietly filming.
They even tried to ignore this idiot until he was very clearly interfering with their mission - which was to deal with an armed suspect with two hostages. The owner is 100% wrong in this case.
I feel for our police officers since they have to deal with the scum of the earth every single day, AND then deal with idiot-armchair cops like Canehdianman afterwards.
I think shooting the dog was the only reasonable way to defuse the situation at that point. The proper way to defuse the situation would have been for the owner to not be a tool in the first place, or not secure the dog in a car with a rolled down window. Very sad situation for both the dog and the cop who had to shoot him.
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