[News] Canucks fire coaching staff - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

MissTeeks · 05-22-2013, 01:39 PM

Not offical yet:

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Source says Alain Vigneault, Rick Bowness and Newell Browne have been fired by Vancouver Canucks.

TSN article:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=423778

Hockey_Ninja · 05-22-2013, 01:39 PM

Nooooooo! i want them to stay their forever...

trackercowe · 05-22-2013, 01:41 PM

He had to go, but I doubt he'll be out of a job for long. Are there any positions currently open? Maybe Dallas would be interested.

Erick Estrada · 05-22-2013, 01:41 PM

AV won't be out of a job for long. Wondering who Greasy Gillis has in mind as a replacement?

Parallex · 05-22-2013, 01:41 PM

Crazy if true. Alain Vigneault is a damn good coach (can't speak to his assistents). I can't imagine he'll be unemployed for long if this is accurate.

868904 · 05-22-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Nooooooo! i want them to stay their forever...

Why? It's a good coaching staff. The message just got stale.

Flames would be a better team with Vigneault at the helm.

opendoor · 05-22-2013, 01:42 PM

Makes sense. Generally good coaches who made some occasionally baffling decisions (especially in the playoffs) and had probably reached the end of their shelf life.

It'd be pretty hard to justify bringing back a coaching staff that is now 2-12 in its last 14 playoff games.

moon · 05-22-2013, 01:42 PM

Not surprising if true but hopefully that is all that is done because the coaching staff was far from the problem with the Canucks team and it is doubtful they bring in a better coach than AV.

Hockey_Ninja · 05-22-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 868904

Why? It's a good coaching staff. The message just got stale.

Flames would be a better team with Vigneault at the helm.

Please no. The last thing i want to see is my favorite team turned into divers.

Geeoff · 05-22-2013, 01:44 PM

Canucks probably should've fired Gillis and kept Vigneault.

moon · 05-22-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by opendoor

Makes sense. Generally good coaches who made some occasionally baffling decisions (especially in the playoffs) and had probably reached the end of their shelf life.

It'd be pretty hard to justify bringing back a coaching staff that is now 2-12 in its last 14 playoff games.

What baffling decisions? (Not trying to be a jerk just can't think of any, outside of switching from Luongo to Schnieder.)

And tough to have a great record when the supposed superstars have been absolute crap in those games.

d_phaneuf · 05-22-2013, 01:44 PM

he won't be out of a job long, I still think he's a top 5 coach, he's also on the forefront of a lot of innovative things (zone starts etc.)

he wins a cup in the next 5 years IMO

I wonder if it had to do with Dallas Eakins being available now

Erick Estrada · 05-22-2013, 01:45 PM

There are only 30 head coaching jobs in the NHL so there will never be issues finding candidates but how great really is that Canucks job? Older team on the decline with no help in the system and still high expectations of winning the cup. Not a lot of room for error with this job. For comparison sakes the Avalanch job would be much sweeter in that you have a young talented team that can only get better and will with a better coach. Only one direction the Canucks are going and that's down.

Parallex · 05-22-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by opendoor

It'd be pretty hard to justify bringing back a coaching staff that is now 2-12 in its last 14 playoff games.

But it'd be pretty easy to justify bringing back a coaching staff that brought 5 consecutive division titles and is only 1 year removed from consecutive President's Trophies.

d_phaneuf · 05-22-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There are only 30 head coaching jobs in the NHL so there will never be issues finding candidates but how great really is that Canucks job? Older team on the decline with no help in the system and still high expectations of winning the cup. Not a lot of room for error with this job. For comparison sakes the Avalanch job would be much sweeter in that you have a young talented team that can only get better and will with a better coach. Only one direction the Canucks are going and that's down.

One team is one of the highest spending teams in the league, not only to the cap but on extra things (locker room, coaching, scouting, sleep studies, travel etc.)

the other (the Avs) are notorious for being incredibly cheap

I think the Avs is a great job but for a coach going to any one of the bigger market teams is always going to be desirable

automaton 3 · 05-22-2013, 01:50 PM

They should probably have kept AV and let Gillis go.

Gillis has done nothing to move that team forward despite spending buckloads of cash.

Not that I'm complaining

Erick Estrada · 05-22-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

One team is one of the highest spending teams in the league, not only to the cap but on extra things (locker room, coaching, scouting, sleep studies, travel etc.)

the other (the Avs) are notorious for being incredibly cheap

I think the Avs is a great job but for a coach going to any one of the bigger market teams is always going to be desirable

Yeah but look at the situations. The new guy is going to be expected to do better than AV with a roster that isn't as good as the one AV had a few years back. Say what you want but Gillis has done a terrible job supplementing the talent he was handed when he took over the job.

TurdFerguson · 05-22-2013, 01:53 PM

Interested to see who replaces them. Not likley to find a "better" coach right now but perhaps a change in voice is needed with that group.

kyuss275 · 05-22-2013, 01:54 PM

Glad they kept incompetent Gillis. Guess he chose to stay with his older core and let a good coach go instead.

Now my hope is Gillis signs the Sedin sisters to a 5 year contract extension.

opendoor · 05-22-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

What baffling decisions? (Not trying to be a jerk just can't think of any, outside of switching from Luongo to Schnieder.)

There are a bunch. Most notably this playoffs was their insistence on feeding an injured Bieksa huge minutes while cutting back the minutes for the Hamhuis-Garrison pairing despite the latter being absolutely dominant at ES this year. When that pairing played with the Sedins this year at ES they outscored the opposition by a 5:1 ratio. Instead of continuing that though they basically chained the Sedins to the Bieksa-Edler pairing and predictably disaster ensued when they were on the ice.

Not to mention some of the special teams decisions and PP setups were just asinine and in general the team's whole system had been picked apart to the point that it was largely ineffective. The PP especially has been an absolute joke for the last 1.5 years (it's operated at about 13% in that span) which is a pretty big black mark on the coaching staff given the players they've had to work with.

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And tough to have a great record when the supposed superstars have been absolute crap in those games.

The players deserve a share of the blame, but it's hard to win in the playoffs against good teams when the coaching staff makes basically no adjustments and feeds ice time to less effective players. Their complete lack of a focus on discipline and unwillingness to clamp down on embellishment has particularly hurt the team. Again, the players deserve a big share of that blame but if the coaching staff wanted to prevent that stuff they could've.