03-31-2013, 04:19 PM
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NOT breaking news
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Russian forward Dmitri Uchaykin dies after headshot in Kazakhstan hockey league.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...2921--nhl.html
I logged onto the hockey blogs earlier, just wanted to take a casual glance at the headlines. Nothing casual about that headline. 33 years old, pregnant wife and daughter left behind.
I can't comment on this because there's no video available (not that I would watch it anyway), and I obviously know nothing about Kazakhstan hockey. But I feel that this should at least be acknowledged. We've talked so much in recent years about head trauma in sports. I think some of you here on CP have predicted that this would happen eventually. Well, it's happened. Just awful.
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03-31-2013, 04:50 PM
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What gets me is the lack of attention this is drawing. A man died from a hit to the head. This should never, ever happen.
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03-31-2013, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Trailer Fire
What gets me is the lack of attention this is drawing. A man died from a hit to the head. This should never, ever happen.
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Agreed 100%.
All you see on the news is Crosby breaking his jaw.
RIP Dmitri. His wife was pregnant too. This shouldn't happen in sports. 
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03-31-2013, 04:54 PM
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R. I. P.
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03-31-2013, 04:55 PM
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Criminal charges in a situation like this?
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03-31-2013, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft
Criminal charges in a situation like this?
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Of course not
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03-31-2013, 04:58 PM
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Took an arrow to the knee
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Of course not
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Why of course not? It's a legit question. Is it still considered an accident, or is intentionally trying to target someone's head that eventually kills them going beyond that?
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03-31-2013, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft
Criminal charges in a situation like this?
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If it was targeted and intentional, why wouldn't there be? If you target someones head intentionally, you are trying to injure them. Congrats, you hit the injury jackpot and killed the guy.
I hope there are criminal charges if it was a targeted play.
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03-31-2013, 05:05 PM
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Terrible to hear. Hopefully something progressive for the game of hockey can come from this and his family doesn't have to think that he died in vain.
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dear god is he 14?
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03-31-2013, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by pylon
If it was targeted and intentional, why wouldn't there be? If you target someones head intentionally, you are trying to injure them. Congrats, you hit the injury jackpot and killed the guy.
I hope there are criminal charges if it was a targeted play.
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What happens when someone eats a punch to the head from a fight and gets injured or dies?
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03-31-2013, 05:08 PM
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Took an arrow to the knee
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Originally Posted by pylon
If it was targeted and intentional, why wouldn't there be? If you target someones head intentionally, you are trying to injure them. Congrats, you hit the injury jackpot and killed the guy.
I hope there are criminal charges if it was a targeted play.
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I'm sure you could come up with some type of argument against it, but I think the situation is inevitably going to happen over here, so it's at least worth discussion or consideration. I'm not against criminal charges, personally, if it was an intentional act, but I can't help but wonder how it would change professional sports in North America if something like this were to happen and someone were to go to prison over it.
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03-31-2013, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by puckluck2
What happens when someone eats a punch to the head from a fight and gets injured or dies?
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Then fighting should be banned.
Getting in a scrap and punching each other in the face is mutual, someone purposely throwing their shoulder into someones head with a hit isn't
Anyways, it's definitely, absolutely time to bring back the softer shoulder pads
Last edited by doctajones428; 03-31-2013 at 05:25 PM.
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03-31-2013, 05:31 PM
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Then fighting should be banned.
Getting in a scrap and punching each other in the face is mutual, someone purposely throwing their shoulder into someones head with a hit isn't
Anyways, it's definitely, absolutely time to bring back the softer shoulder pads
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It definitely should be banned.
And just because something is mutual doesn't mean you should be able to do it. I can't have a mutual gun fight or knife fight in the same way I can't mutually agree to fight someone on the streets.
If they're going to treat hockey with the same laws as everyone else then they should do it fully and not just when someone gets seriously hurt or dies.
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03-31-2013, 05:36 PM
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that sucks.
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03-31-2013, 05:36 PM
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Ban fighting in hockey? oh man...not this debate again. If both parties fight responsibly, no one will get hurt more than losing a couple teeth.
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03-31-2013, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by puckluck2
It definitely should be banned.
And just because something is mutual doesn't mean you should be able to do it. I can't have a mutual gun fight or knife fight in the same way I can't mutually agree to fight someone on the streets.
If they're going to treat hockey with the same laws as everyone else then they should do it fully and not just when someone gets seriously hurt or dies.
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No, but you can in private facilities. There are sports dedicated to fighting (MMA, Boxing, Tae Kwon Do, Etc.). People fight all the time.
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03-31-2013, 05:47 PM
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It really is only a matter of time until it happens here. Hitting is becoming reckless, there are two many agitators that play on the edge of really hurting people. The players are bigger and faster.
It will happen here, and when it does this sport is going to face a nuclear implosion.
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03-31-2013, 05:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by puckluck2
It definitely should be banned.
And just because something is mutual doesn't mean you should be able to do it. I can't have a mutual gun fight or knife fight in the same way I can't mutually agree to fight someone on the streets.
If they're going to treat hockey with the same laws as everyone else then they should do it fully and not just when someone gets seriously hurt or dies.
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Can't wait for the 'assault with a weapon' charges next time someone slashes an opponent. Duh.
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03-31-2013, 05:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by puckluck2
It definitely should be banned.
And just because something is mutual doesn't mean you should be able to do it. I can't have a mutual gun fight or knife fight in the same way I can't mutually agree to fight someone on the streets.
If they're going to treat hockey with the same laws as everyone else then they should do it fully and not just when someone gets seriously hurt or dies.
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My point with it being mutual is that if someone dies in a hockey fight, I don't think the other guy should go to jail for it, but someone who kills someone with an intentional head shot should definitely get some time. Hockey fights have barriers in place (refs) so they don't get out of hand and that they end when the other guy is no longer willing to fight, unlike a real life fight (fists, guns, whatever).
Would a guy go to jail for accidentally killing someone in a MMA fight?
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03-31-2013, 05:50 PM
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Ban fighting in hockey? oh man...not this debate again. If both parties fight responsibly, no one will get hurt more than losing a couple teeth.
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Were only talking about banning fighting if someone gets killed during a fight (I am at least)
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