Given how bad the refs are this year I thought I'd start a thread outlining the really bad calls so they can be discussed and we can all lament them as they occur.
This goal gave the Avs a 2 goal lead in the second... just brutal.
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie I think we can all agree the missed offside that led to COL goal today was a horrendous mistake by the linesman. No doubt about that, but...
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...FWIW, linesman who missed call is one of NHL's most experienced, accomplished, respected officials. Bad call, yes. Bad official? No way.
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Linesman obviously was aware Duchene preceded puck over blueline but mistakenly believed NSH, not COL, played puck into zone.
Wow. I am going to have to go home and listen to what Crispy has to say about that on the Nashville broadcast. That's one of the more massive blown calls I've seen.
Good they have 4 guys reffing out there right?
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The lineman apparently thought that the Nashville player played the puck into the defensive zone negating offside. After looking at the play again after the game he owned up to the mistake and admitted he made the wrong call.
Doesn't make it right but at least the NHL is allowing the refs to admit they were at fault instead of blindly defending a bad call (Ie that goaltender interference penalty that Glencross got a couple years back against minny for screening the goaltender)
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Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie I think we can all agree the missed offside that led to COL goal today was a horrendous mistake by the linesman. No doubt about that, but...
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
...FWIW, linesman who missed call is one of NHL's most experienced, accomplished, respected officials. Bad call, yes. Bad official? No way.
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Linesman obviously was aware Duchene preceded puck over blueline but mistakenly believed NSH, not COL, played puck into zone.
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The lineman apparently thought that the Nashville player played the puck into the defensive zone negating offside. After looking at the play again after the game he owned up to the mistake and admitted he made the wrong call.
Doesn't make it right but at least the NHL is allowing the refs to admit they were at fault instead of blindly defending a bad call (Ie that goaltender interference penalty that Glencross got a couple years back against minny for screening the goaltender)
As discussed in the thread yesterday, it does not matter whether one team or the other played the puck into the zone.
Bob McKenzie says that the linesman is good, but I don't know how you can be a good official when you don't know the rules you are supposed to be calling. To me, it shows that the linesman (and the other officials that let it happen as well) are clearly not qualified to do the job, and should be let go.
You simply cannot be a "good" linesman if you don't know the rules for offside. How much are those linesmen paid to know that rule?
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This isn't the first time there was a bad call, and it's not the worst....
Yeah this is about this year and about the NHL not gripes for the home team from 2004. I think we can all agree that Nelson Emerson vs. Chicago was the worst call of all time and leave the past in the past.
Wow, even Duchesne looked confused. I like how some of the fans seemed reluctant to celebrate.
Not too often you get a gift like that, so cherish it.
There was one last year where the puck was shot out of play, hit the mesh and fell back into play, and the other team scored. Detroit was the team scored on, but I can't find the highlight. It was pretty bad too though. I know being an official is difficult, but some of the bad calls are just mind boggling.
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Referees, like players, are human. They will make mistakes.
At this level, they make less mistakes, but the exposure of these mistakes makes them magnified.
Also, like the players had a lot of time off, and now a condensed schedule, which can impact performance due to conditioning and fatigue, referees will be similarly impacted by this lockout year.
I may sound like a referee apologist, but look at the NHL referees compared to the NFL replacement officials to start their season, and you see that these guys don't make as many mistakes as we like to attribute to them.
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As discussed in the thread yesterday, it does not matter whether one team or the other played the puck into the zone.
Bob McKenzie says that the linesman is good, but I don't know how you can be a good official when you don't know the rules you are supposed to be calling. To me, it shows that the linesman (and the other officials that let it happen as well) are clearly not qualified to do the job, and should be let go.
You simply cannot be a "good" linesman if you don't know the rules for offside. How much are those linesmen paid to know that rule?
If an opposing player who has possession of the puck plays it in to their own zone then no it's not offside and the other team can play the puck.
That wasn't the case on the play but that's what the linesmen thought happened and that is the right rule.
If an opposing player who has possession of the puck plays it in to their own zone then no it's not offside and the other team can play the puck.
That wasn't the case on the play but that's what the linesmen thought happened and that is the right rule.
Not quite. Read the rule again: (Emphasis mine)
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If a player legally carries or passes the puck back into his own
defending zone while a player of the opposing team is in such
defending zone, the off-side shall be ignored and play permitted to
continue.
Whether one team or the other played the puck back into the zone is meaningless unless the player (Duchene in this case) was already in the zone when the puck was passed. Obviously, Duchene wasn't in the zone when the puck was "passed."
And that's still not even discussing whether a deflection is a pass.
in case anyone hasn't noticed, the ref is human and humans make mistakes. i am sure the lineman is well aware of the rule about offsides and I am sure his e-mail was full this morning.
how often has a player missed a wide open net?
it will be a real shame if the preds were to miss the playoffs by one or two points.
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in case anyone hasn't noticed, the ref is human and humans make mistakes. i am sure the lineman is well aware of the rule about offsides and I am sure his e-mail was full this morning.
how often has a player missed a wide open net?
it will be a real shame if the preds were to miss the playoffs by one or two points.
If he was well aware of the rules, he might still miss the call initially, but he would realize a few seconds later (certainly after discussing with the other officials) and disallow the goal. Certainly after seeing everyone on the ice CLEARLY look like they know it's offside, including Duchene, you'd think it through in your mind to make sure the right call was made.
With the money that those officials are making, they should be able to recite from memory the offside rule word for word from the rulebook.
in case anyone hasn't noticed, the ref is human and humans make mistakes. i am sure the lineman is well aware of the rule about offsides and I am sure his e-mail was full this morning.
how often has a player missed a wide open net?
it will be a real shame if the preds were to miss the playoffs by one or two points.
It depends on whether it was a mistake, or whether he just wasn't paying attention. One is forgivable, the other is not. If he was thinking Arby's in the middle of a game, then he should be fined internally or removed from a game on his schedule. No one really knows though except the linesman I guess.
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As discussed in the thread yesterday, it does not matter whether one team or the other played the puck into the zone.
Bob McKenzie says that the linesman is good, but I don't know how you can be a good official when you don't know the rules you are supposed to be calling. To me, it shows that the linesman (and the other officials that let it happen as well) are clearly not qualified to do the job, and should be let go.
You simply cannot be a "good" linesman if you don't know the rules for offside. How much are those linesmen paid to know that rule?
Too lazy to read yesterday's thread, but yes it does. I can hang out in front of the opposition's net, and if the opposition passes the puck to me from outside the blue line, I am not offside.
You're interpreting the rule wrong. It even says so right in the rule you posted that the "offside shall be ignored".
No, there are conditions given that must be met if the offside is to be ignored. Since one condition is not met (Duchene was not already in the zone), the offside cannot be ignored.
The line cannot be interpreted to mean anything else.
I'd argue in this case that neither of the conditions are met, as the puck was not passed or carried into the zone. Admittedly, if Nashville did touch the puck (did they?), that's much grayer.
We can see with video evidence that Duchene was not already inside the zone when the puck was allegedly "passed back into the zone".
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Terrible Calls by Officials thread
