Oft-injured, much maligned, he was one of the few guys on the Flames roster last year that could pull off goals like these.
Consensus around here seemed to be that he shouldn't have been re-signed in the offseason, but I gotta say, I'm excited to see what he can bring to the table this year, especially considering the talent he'll be playing with.
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No doubt the guy can score. The only problem is doing it consistently. We cannot afford to have someone scores goal every 5 or more games. He is a streaky guy. When the guy is on, he can score bunches but when he's not..you have to wait for i don't know how long.
I think the problem is all he has is speed and scoring ability and our previous coach had a knack for trying to jam square pegs into round holes. I'm glad we signed him, the more speed and talent and the less Comeau's the better. He's a blank slate right now, decent contract with a new coach.
Hopefully the new coach doesn't put him in a checking role and puts him with a setup guy that will get him the puck as he's flying towards the net when he's at his best. People complaining about his lack of consistency need to realize Sutter had no idea what he was doing with Stempniak. I hope to see a lot of Cervenka to Hudler to Stempniak type goals next season, 20+ would be great. He's plenty capable of it, just need a coach that can formulate gameplans around the strength of the players.
No doubt the guy can score. The only problem is doing it consistently. We cannot afford to have someone scores goal every 5 or more games. He is a streaky guy. When the guy is on, he can score bunches but when he's not..you have to wait for i don't know how long.
I'm not doubting that he's streaky but has anyone actually proved it?
Like say a breakdown of his goals during the last 3 seasons? Does he actually score in bunches? Even if he does, what is "normal" scoring rate of an NHLer of his caliber (or any caliber)?
If the guy could put it together for an entire season he is in the 50-60 point range..
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Just looked up his career stats, and last year was the first time he hasn't played at least 75 games during an NHL season.
So here's hoping he gets another full, injury-free year under his belt with the Flames.
Since joining the league...
05/06 - 22 goals in 83 games
06/07 - 27 goals in 82 games
07/08 - 13 goals in 80 games
08/09 - 14 goals in 75 games
09/10 - 28 goals in 80 games
10/11 - 19 goals in 82 games
11/12 - 14 goals in 61 games
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I love the streaky scorer argument. There are many players that fall under this category (Stempniak, Glencross, Bourque) and people always make a big problem out of it. The fact is, if any one of these guys were consistent they would be superstars. If any player was consistent they would be superstars. Isn't that kind of the criteria?
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No doubt the guy can score. The only problem is doing it consistently. We cannot afford to have someone scores goal every 5 or more games. He is a streaky guy. When the guy is on, he can score bunches but when he's not..you have to wait for i don't know how long.
Show me a 20 goal scorer who isn't streaky.
It is true for pretty much every player who ever lived - goal scoring is about confidence, and confidence ebbs and flows. Sometimes you get a good bounce here and there, and that enhances confidence which in turn leads to better play. Sometimes, you don't get the bounces and that in turn leads to frustration.
A 20 goal scorer will score, on average, every 4th game. Factor in multi-goal games, and you're talking about every 5th game, give or take. Even ignoring confidence and "streakiness", you're still looking - by simple statistical distribution - at periods of 10 and more games that are going to be goal-less.
I think the problem is all he has is speed and scoring ability and our previous coach had a knack for trying to jam square pegs into round holes. I'm glad we signed him, the more speed and talent and the less Comeau's the better. He's a blank slate right now, decent contract with a new coach.
Hopefully the new coach doesn't put him in a checking role and puts him with a setup guy that will get him the puck as he's flying towards the net when he's at his best. People complaining about his lack of consistency need to realize Sutter had no idea what he was doing with Stempniak. I hope to see a lot of Cervenka to Hudler to Stempniak type goals next season, 20+ would be great. He's plenty capable of it, just need a coach that can formulate gameplans around the strength of the players.
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Vector, so where do you see him slotting in. Cervenka, Hudler should be on the top 2 lines. I cant see Stempniak playing a top 6 role.
I could see a 3rd line of Bartschi - Stajan - Stempniak being pretty good.
I honestly think Stajan would put up better numbers than Backlund. I think Backlund is the odd man out this year. It kills me to say it and it's off-topic.
Stempniak would be a good veteran for Bartschi to play with if Bartschi couldn't crack the first 2 lines. He's played 456 NHL games and is a proven 20-goal scorer.
goal scoring is about confidence, and confidence ebbs and flows.
No, goal scoring is about skill and competancy... confidence is an effect that flows from that not the other way around. You can believe in yourself as highly as you want it's not going to give you the ability to do something that you didn't otherwise possess the talent for.
That's not to say that streakiness doesn't exist, it does, but I think it has very little to do with ones level of self-esteem.
As for Stempniak... I'm glad he's back I think he'll slot in alongside Backlund and Glencross to form one of the best "third" lines in the NHL.
No, goal scoring is about skill and competancy... confidence is an effect that flows from that not the other way around. You can believe in yourself as highly as you want it's not going to give you the ability to do something that you didn't otherwise possess the talent for.
Skill and competency are an obvious necessity and prior given to getting here. But they are also a relative constant - we know going in to each game what any player's skill set is. What changes from day to day is confidence (along with health, etc).
You are making it sound like skill and competency result in streakinees, as in a person is competent for 10 games and then become incompetent for a stretch. No. They have a prior skillset, but confidence fluctuates.
I wasn't a big fan of Stempniaks last season, no doubt he has skill, far to inconsistant from game to game and didn't get involved enough during the many games. There was several nights you had to check and see if he actually on the ice.
Stempniak in 2012-13 pick your game up!
I could see a 3rd line of Bartschi - Stajan - Stempniak being pretty good.
I honestly think Stajan would put up better numbers than Backlund. I think Backlund is the odd man out this year. It kills me to say it and it's off-topic.
Stempniak would be a good veteran for Bartschi to play with if Bartschi couldn't crack the first 2 lines. He's played 456 NHL games and is a proven 20-goal scorer.
Should I still be shocked so many posters seem to have given up on Backlund?
Considering Backs just signed a discount-ish signing or a 'prove it' contract if you will and also considering he is 4 years younger with a lot more potential than Stajan I think the 3rd line centre spot is Backs to lose personally.
If we handle Backs correctly we good have a legit shut-down centre on hands; far too early right now to call him the odd man out this year.
Should I still be shocked so many posters seem to have given up on Backlund?
Considering Backs just signed a discount-ish signing or a 'prove it' contract if you will and also considering he is 4 years younger with a lot more potential than Stajan. I think the 3rd line centre spot is Backs to lose personally.
If we handle Backs correctly we good have a legit shut-down centre on hands; far too early right now to call him the odd man out this year.
Backlund (March, 17, 1989) is close to 6 years younger (okay closer to 5 and a half) than Stajan (December 19, 1983).
And yes, it is too early to call Backlund the odd man out. It's also too early to call lots of guys the odd man out, and that includes Stajan.
If Stempniak gets 20 goals playing on the third line--- 12:00 / game the Flames will lead the league in goal scoring. .... by a lot.
If somehow he ends up with top-6 ice time ................ the team will have taken a step back despite of adding Cammelleri, Hudler, Cervenka and Baertschi to replace Bourque, Jokinen and Stempniak in the top 6.
There are a lot of lineups showing Glencross getting dropped to the 3rd line??
Glencross >>>>> Stempniak
When Glencross floats we jump all over him...... When Stempniak floats nobody notices or comments.... the Glencross expections are so very much higher.
If Baertschi or Cervenka has the same season that Stempniak had in 2011-12 there will be a lot of disappointed Flames fans.
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