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Karl · 02-15-2013, 05:16 AM

Jiri Hudler: A+

Roman Cervenka: A-

Alex Tanguay: B

Jarome Iginla: C+

Curtis Glencross: C+ When he's been on, he's been hot. When he hasn't been, he's been brutal.

Mike Cammalleri: C Was awesome on Wednesday and was much better his last two games before Wednesday but was dreadful to start the season.

Mikael Backlund: A

Lee Stempniak: B+

Matt Stajan: B

Blair Jones: B

Tim Jackman: C-

Steve Begin: C-

Blake Comeau: D- Been utterly useless this year. Has only made one semi-impressive play so far.

TurnedTheCorner · 02-15-2013, 05:37 AM

I'd say we have the 11th best set of forwards in the West.

Mike F · 02-15-2013, 06:22 AM

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Tim Jackman: C-

Steve Begin: C-

Don't have time to rate them all, but Jackman and Begin have both done just what you want from your 4th line guys - provide energy, muscle, and a reliable 10 shifts per game that don't hurt the team.

Judging them based on how well they perform the roll they're being asked to play, they're both a solid B, IMO.

FlamesAddiction · 02-15-2013, 07:19 AM

Hudler is exceeding expectations. I expected that he would at least carry over similar offense from his Detroit days, but I think the thing that has surprised me the most is that he looks like a leader on the ice. He's also a little stronger than I thought he was.

Erick Estrada · 02-15-2013, 07:22 AM

Forwards have been better as a group than the defenseman and goaltenders.

Jiri Hudler: A
Curtis Glencross: B+
Matt Stajan: B+
Roman Cervenka: B
Lee Stempniak: B
Mikael Backlund: B
Alex Tanguay: B-
Mike Cammalleri: B-
Blair Jones: C+
Jarome Iginla: C
Blake Comeau: C
Tim Jackman: D
Steve Begin: F

IMO people need to remember Glencross is an undrafted, underappreciated player that really shouldn't be playing 1st line minutes. Despite that he's leading the team in goals. How can that be anything but overachieving? Really think Stajan has come a long way. He does more of the little things well than any other forward. I and others have crapped on Comeau but he has shown some value as a penalty killer and played better as of late. His days of scoring goals are a thing of the past though as he's strickly 4th line talent. I wasn't a fan of the Jackman or Begin signings and IMO both of these guys could be easily replaced with AHLers. Begin in particular is done as an NHL player.

FlamesAddiction · 02-15-2013, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO people need to remember Glencross is an undrafted, underappreciated player that really shouldn't be playing 1st line minutes. Despite that he's leading the team in goals. How can that be anything but overachieving?

The thing about Glencross is that he seems to produce just as much whether he is playing with skilled players or with grinders/energy players. It's almost a waste to have him in the top 6.

edn88 · 02-15-2013, 07:28 AM

Jiri Hudler: A I cannot believe Detroit let him go
Roman Cervenka: B+ hope we can resign this guy, and he only gets better
Alex Tanguay: A has played well despite playing centre
Jarome Iginla: B - is not playing to Iggy standards, but is still not bad
Curtis Glencross: C+ Glencross is streaky (and needs Joker back)
Mike Cammalleri: B+ I think he is just rounding in to form
Mikael Backlund: B+ has been solid, think he has more to offer, and its too bad he's hurt
Lee Stempniak: B+ playing the way I thought he would when he was brought in
Matt Stajan: B+ most improved Flame?
Blair Jones: B+ I really like Blair Jones
Tim Jackman: C- Doesn't seem to have the impact he used to have
Steve Begin: C does what he is supposed to on the fourth line
Blake Comeau: D only rate him this way, because his stats suggest it

I think our forwards have been really good, and have been exciting to watch.

Erick Estrada · 02-15-2013, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The thing about Glencross is that he seems to produce just as much whether he is playing with skilled players or with grinders/energy players. It's almost a waste to have him in the top 6.

I actually don't mind him on the 2nd line but I don't think he's a good match to play with Iginla as Glencross is a shooter and like most players when they play on a line with Iginla they feel they need to set him up which isn't one of his strenghts. He looks downright bad at times trying to make fancy passing plays. That's not his game but I'm willing to bet if the Flames were having a fire sale he would be possibly the most sought after forward on the team when you consider play for pay.

badger89 · 02-15-2013, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The thing about Glencross is that he seems to produce just as much whether he is playing with skilled players or with grinders/energy players. It's almost a waste to have him in the top 6.

Glencross needs to be playing with north/south players. With the style we're playing now, I'm not sure that there's a line he really fits on other than the 4th line. Hope they figure something out that gets him going. Best bet may be a line of Glencross - Stajan - Iggy actually. They would be good at controlling the puck in the offensive zone as well.

neo45 · 02-15-2013, 08:12 AM

Based on expectations, lets say B- is meeting expectations

Jiri Hudler: A
Curtis Glencross: B-
Matt Stajan: A-
Roman Cervenka: B+
Lee Stempniak: B+
Mikael Backlund: B
Alex Tanguay: B
Mike Cammalleri: B-
Blair Jones: C+
Jarome Iginla: C
Blake Comeau: D
Tim Jackman: C (play is good enough but hasn't created enough energy)
Steve Begin: C (ditto)

JiriHrdina · 02-15-2013, 09:12 AM

People are being too kind to the Captain. 1 goal nearly a quarter a way into the season. Not good enough.
D.

Bertuzzied · 02-15-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

People are being too kind to the Captain. 1 goal nearly a quarter a way into the season. Not good enough.
D.

Too kind is for Backlund. Guy is made of lego. Couldn't even survive a normal hit. C-
How can we count on him when he can't even stay healthy.

neo45 · 02-15-2013, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

People are being too kind to the Captain. 1 goal nearly a quarter a way into the season. Not good enough.
D.

I did mine based on expectations. If Iggy continues at this pace he gets an absolutely terrible rating at the end of the season. But my expectations of Iginla's first 10 ten games usually have him struggling to score goals. In Q2 and Q3 he is going to be lights out

JiriHrdina · 02-15-2013, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Too kind is for Backlund. Guy is made of lego. Couldn't even survive a normal hit. C-
How can we count on him when he can't even stay healthy.

Not really fair to give a poor rating to a guy because of injury. You have to assess he based on how he's played.

puckluck2 · 02-15-2013, 09:36 AM

Hudler: A

Cervenka: B-

Backlund: B+

Iginla: C-

Tanguay: B-

Stajan: B+

Glencross: C

Cammalleri: D (great lately, horrendous early on)

Jones: C

Stempniak: A-

Comeau: C-

Jackman: C

Begin: F (completely a useless signing)

Parallex · 02-15-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

People are being too kind to the Captain. 1 goal nearly a quarter a way into the season. Not good enough.

You're being too unkind to him.

He leads the team in shots. His one goal thus far represents a 2.3 shooting percentage... his career rate is right around 13% (and the NHL average tends to hover around 10%) as is his rate over the last three seasons. To me that suggests that he's just been unlucky and more likely then not we'll see a regression to the mean over the course of the season.

The Captain get's a B-.

Heavy Jack · 02-15-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

Hudler: A

Cervenka: B-

Backlund: B+

Iginla: C-

Tanguay: B-

Stajan: B+

Glencross: C

Cammalleri: D (great lately, horrendous early on)

Jones: C

Stempniak: A-

Comeau: C-

Jackman: C

Begin: F (completely a useless signing)

Begin has been a good addition IMO. Had a great fight against Tootoo and layed Zetterberge out in that game as well. Has come close to scoring 3 or 4 times in his limited ice-time. He's a guy who lays it on the line every shift, I would much rather him in the line-up than Comeau.

Fire · 02-15-2013, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Too kind is for Backlund. Guy is made of lego. Couldn't even survive a normal hit. C-
How can we count on him when he can't even stay healthy.

It was a knee to knee hit. Most players are getting injured on that play.

Travis Munroe · 02-15-2013, 10:04 AM

I think everyone is being too kind to cervenka. I have high hopes for him and said early on I think it will take him a good 20 games to round into form. That said, anyone could be playing with hudler and stajan right now and look good.
Stemp, stajan and hudler are my 3 A grade players right now.

JiriHrdina · 02-15-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

You're being too unkind to him.

He leads the team in shots. His one goal thus far represents a 2.3 shooting percentage... his career rate is right around 13% (and the NHL average tends to hover around 10%) as is his rate over the last three seasons. To me that suggests that he's just been unlucky and more likely then not we'll see a regression to the mean over the course of the season.

The Captain get's a B-.

1 goal and he gets a B-?

He's been OK in about half the games and less than OK in the other half.

He hasn't been getting as many chances as he does typically - and too many plays are dieing on his stick

But even if we forget all that - 1 goal is 1 goal. Shots, chances, and the rest of it don't really matter. He's the highest paid player on the team and needs to deliver more than a single goal through a significant chunk of this season.