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Old 10-01-2012, 03:52 PM   #1
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I have a few questions for you if you don't mind answering them. You can post here or PM me.
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My girlfriend currently works at Nexen, and I worked for them for five years. Between the two of us we might be able to answer your question.
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Since I never got any more info on this... I suppose I can get more specific. I think I have asked about land work before but it got derailed off topic by a few guys.

I am currently a petroleum landman in the US. My wife is from Calgary and we were looking at moving to Calgary within the next year after my college degree is finished. I have been a petroleum landman for a year in a half and have worked in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Colorado.

I am just wanting information on land work in Canada. It is my understand that an US landman and Canadian landman are two different things. It's my understanding that lot of the minerals up north are owned by the crown ( is this the correct term?) and not individuals so the title , leasing, right of way, and curative work that I do down here wouldn't apply in the same way in Canada. Can you give me anymore info on this? What would my current position/experience's equivalent be when I moved to Calgary?

Whats the pay like , opportunities , etc?
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I dropped the ball on this completely, sorry. I'll try get back to you soon. Hopefully someone can help directly here.
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I'm looking for people in the industry as well. This may seem like an odd request, but I'm doing a study for my Operations Management class (for MRU) and we are doing it on the Oil and Gas industry. If anyone is a "decision maker" in their company or know someone who is, it would help me out a lot if you could PM me and help me out.

It's a survey on survey monkey and takes about 15 minutes to fill out.

I don't mean to derail the thread from nickerjones, but we're probably looking for the same type of person.
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nicker I'm a petroleum landman in Calgary, and can answer whatever questions you need.

Mineral rights are typically owned by the province, in Alberta's case about 90%. In B.C.'s case even more. Land ownership in Canada is very different from the U.S. because of this, and there are many rules and regulations that are unique to each province.

Sounds like the job you do is similar to what we call Surface land. In the U.S. most land owners hold title to the minerals and by extension the right to win, take and remove the resources, which they'll lease to landmen working for oil companies.

We still have surface guys that head to the field and acquire the lands, roads, pipelines, access to the surface to drill, and handle a host of other tasks like surveying, community relations, etc.

Some companies are different in how they handle land, but almost all have mineral landmen, but may outsource the surface work to broker shops who have the resources and people in-house who have developed relationships with farmers, etc. These companies may be a good start for a guy like you to check out, if you need a bunch of names of brokers, I can give them to you.

Otherwise, the commercial side and mineral rights are the job of the mineral landmen and the U.S. equivalents would likely be something like "commercial" or "business development".

Feel free to PM any questions or write on here and I'll answer them.

edit: I should add that there are some people that own title to their minerals, likely having settled on their land (or their ancestry) and retaining mineral ownership, as the Canadian government was trying to encourage the western pursuit of settlers to help secure their border when the country was being formed, fee title was being granted to the settlers. In these instances it's still teh job of the mineral landman to tie up those rights. Other land comprising taht remaining 10% in AB and includes National parks, Indian reservations. The terms we throw around to distinguish are Crown (the province on behalf of her majesty) to indicate provincially owned title, and freehold (individuals, farmers, people). The Crown will not grant absolute ownership to land, and actually neither will most freeholders, as the fee title is in almost all circumstances leased out. You'll hear about landsales, these are for the Lease or Licence which grant you the right to win take and remove the resources in the benefit of society through resale and production, but these are not true "sales" in teh form of fee title. Encana is also a major fee owner, and most big shops as well, as the chain of title has been traded through business acquisitions and divestitures for many years.

edit 2: Oh yeah and the pay is good. And if you have a degree (like a major in petroleum land management or whatever from Oklahoma), your odds of finding a job are much better than most, but the job market up here for mineral negotiators is pretty soft these days so just a heads up there, you may be better off going the surface route and trying to get in-house at an E&P which ultimately you'll more or less just be managing several groups of brokers whilst being part of a technical team trying to acquire locations. Check out this site for job openings... http://www.landman.ca/employment/job_postings.php

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nicker I'm a petroleum landman in Calgary, and can answer whatever questions you need.

Mineral rights are typically owned by the province, in Alberta's case about 90%. In B.C.'s case even more. Land ownership in Canada is very different from the U.S. because of this, and there are many rules and regulations that are unique to each province.

Sounds like the job you do is similar to what we call Surface land. In the U.S. most land owners hold title to the minerals and by extension the right to win, take and remove the resources, which they'll lease to landmen working for oil companies.

We still have surface guys that head to the field and acquire the lands, roads, pipelines, access to the surface to drill, and handle a host of other tasks like surveying, community relations, etc.

Some companies are different in how they handle land, but almost all have mineral landmen, but may outsource the surface work to broker shops who have the resources and people in-house who have developed relationships with farmers, etc. These companies may be a good start for a guy like you to check out, if you need a bunch of names of brokers, I can give them to you.

Otherwise, the commercial side and mineral rights are the job of the mineral landmen and the U.S. equivalents would likely be something like "commercial" or "business development".

Feel free to PM any questions or write on here and I'll answer them.

edit: I should add that there are some people that own title to their minerals, likely having settled on their land (or their ancestry) and retaining mineral ownership, as the Canadian government was trying to encourage the western pursuit of settlers to help secure their border when the country was being formed, fee title was being granted to the settlers. In these instances it's still teh job of the mineral landman to tie up those rights. Other land comprising taht remaining 10% in AB and includes National parks, Indian reservations. The terms we throw around to distinguish are Crown (the province on behalf of her majesty) to indicate provincially owned title, and freehold (individuals, farmers, people). The Crown will not grant absolute ownership to land, and actually neither will most freeholders, as the fee title is in almost all circumstances leased out. You'll hear about landsales, these are for the Lease or Licence which grant you the right to win take and remove the resources in the benefit of society through resale and production, but these are not true "sales" in teh form of fee title. Encana is also a major fee owner, and most big shops as well, as the chain of title has been traded through business acquisitions and divestitures for many years.

edit 2: Oh yeah and the pay is good. And if you have a degree (like a major in petroleum land management or whatever from Oklahoma), your odds of finding a job are much better than most, but the job market up here for mineral negotiators is pretty soft these days so just a heads up there, you may be better off going the surface route and trying to get in-house at an E&P which ultimately you'll more or less just be managing several groups of brokers whilst being part of a technical team trying to acquire locations. Check out this site for job openings... http://www.landman.ca/employment/job_postings.php
First off, Thanks for answering Mr Coffee.

My degree is just a Bachelors of Science. The plan is to get the bachelors then to get a masters degree in Energy Management. I have actually been talking to the Land Agent Licensing place in Edmonton. I can move up there before I finish my degree. For me to get my license I just need 2 years of post secondary ( which I already have), to pass a test, and then to get a work with company that will agree to give me the training I need. I have been doing this for a year and half so I have a lot more experience than someone starting out. I would guess that the training would pretty much just getting me up to speed on how the Canadian side does things. I am sure negotiating etc is pretty much universal .

The only questions I have is just general stuff about the job such as average pay ( am I going to make the same as here?) , what places would actually do training etc, and how do companies pay. A couple people I have talked to keep giving me an hourly rate. Here we do a day rate. For example right now I am making a day rate plus mileage, hotel, and food . expenses. ... I think other than it is just getting there and getting going. My wife would like to move in the summer which gives me a little over 6 months to do the immigration and such.

Sorry I would write a lot more but I am on my phone.
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