Rule Change for next year

[JiriHrdina]

Folks,
We are going to implement a rule change - but not for this year (that woudn't be fair) but for next season.

We are going to follow the NHL's lead and have a draft lottery.

The specifics of this is still TBD - but it will likely replicate the same system that the NHL is going to be using.

Questions?

[TurdFerguson]

Interesting. my 2 cents...

- I like the idea to try and mirror the NHL as much as we can but only where it makes sense.

- Would have liked to see some discussion about rule changes before decisions are made. I get the commissioners run the league, but 27 other guys put a lot of time in and should have some input into decisions especially fairly large ones like the #1 pick.

-How is the weighted draw going to be conducted? how is the league going to make this transparent to all GMs?

-While this would work to mirror the NHL I feel like it only makes it harder for the bad teams of the league to get better. As i have said many times before, there are a handful of perennially bad teams that need every advantage they can get to try and turn things around. Turning a surefire top pick into a lesser pick while increasing the chances that a good franchise that had a bad year increase the position of there pick does not seem in the best interests of a competitive league, long-term.

-This pretty much eliminates any accusations of someone "tanking". which is probably a good thing.

[MJK]

-This pretty much eliminates any accusations of someone "tanking". which is probably a good thing.

This.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

- Would have liked to see some discussion about rule changes before decisions are made. I get the commissioners run the league, but 27 other guys put a lot of time in and should have some input into decisions especially fairly large ones like the #1 pick.

Well to be fair - this change isn't being implemented until next season, and as noted, the details are still TBD. So there is ample opportunity to provide input. But yes, the commissioners do run the league - trying to make decisions within a group of 30 GMs would be impossible. We are always receptive to feedback, and suggestions though.

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

-How is the weighted draw going to be conducted? how is the league going to make this transparent to all GMs?

Not entirely sure, though my initial thought is that I would use excel and then conduct the lottery live via a join.me session if GMs want to watch. To a certain point you either trust us or you don't. At minimum at least one other person will be present at the draw to witness it.

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

-While this would work to mirror the NHL I feel like it only makes it harder for the bad teams of the league to get better. As i have said many times before, there are a handful of perennially bad teams that need every advantage they can get to try and turn things around. Turning a surefire top pick into a lesser pick while increasing the chances that a good franchise that had a bad year increase the position of there pick does not seem in the best interests of a competitive league, long-term.

But bad teams don't always own their pick, and in fact often they do not. This isn't the NHL where teams hold on to firsts rather tightly - most firsts are moved around.
I would also say that it is well proven that bad teams can become good teams by making good moves. It has happened over and over again.

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

-This pretty much eliminates any accusations of someone "tanking". which is probably a good thing.

Precisely.

[Swayze11]

Like Rob said...

My only concern is making it as transparent as possible. I looked online and this is the best way to do it IMO:

http://www.random.org/integers/

Generate 1 random integers
Between 1 and 1000

The lottery winner is determined from the table below depending on what random number answer you get:

30th place team = 1 to 250
29th = 251 to 438
28th = 439 to 580
27th = 581 to 687
26th = 688 to 768
25th = 769 to 830
24th = 831 to 877
23rd = 878 to 913
22nd = 914 to 940
21st = 941 to 961
20th = 962 to 976
19th = 977 to 987
18th = 988 to 995
17th = 996 to 1000

Then on top of this, maybe we can get a video recording of it done?

Another thing I would like to bring up, is perhaps changing the waiver rule to off-set this. Our waiver rule is over 7 years old if we want to mirror the NHL. Waiver priority should be 100% based on standings. This benefits the league as a whole (because the bad teams get better) and would save a lot of time for the commish's because if teams put in a claim, you just need to look at the standings to figure out who gets 1st priority.

[Goffie]

I like this idea. My suggestion to keep things simple is to use the NHL draft lottery as our own. Give the teams a corresponding NHL team that sits in their exact position in the standings and have that team represent the CPHL in the lottery.

For example if Pittsburgh places 27th overall in the CPHL and Edmonton finishes 27th overall in the NHL then Edmonton's position in the NHL lottery would determine Pittsburghs in the CPHL. This keeps things simple and eliminates a lot of work from the commishes and the league.

[TurdFerguson]

Way to think outside the box Goffie.I like that idea if we are going with a lottery system.

[JiriHrdina]

Yeah that's actually a really smart way of doing it.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Goffie

I like this idea. My suggestion to keep things simple is to use the NHL draft lottery as our own. Give the teams a corresponding NHL team that sits in their exact position in the standings and have that team represent the CPHL in the lottery.

For example if Pittsburgh places 27th overall in the CPHL and Edmonton finishes 27th overall in the NHL then Edmonton's position in the NHL lottery would determine Pittsburghs in the CPHL. This keeps things simple and eliminates a lot of work from the commishes and the league.

This is a great idea and should be the system we use if this is implemented... I call Edmonton!!!

Just kidding, I understand how it works.. was just making a joke.

[MJK]

But the NHL draft lottery system is rigged.

[TurdFerguson]

I am curious to see what the Ducks would pay just to have the Flames horse in the draw.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by MJK

But the NHL draft lottery system is rigged.

No you're thinking of the NBA.

[Young Guns]

For what its worth I really like this idea. It may help stop teams near the bottom of the standings from trying to tank the season. Things from the past like starting there backup goalie more often or waiving two of there better players.

[Knut]

Doesn't matter to me. I will never be in the lottery.

[Hanna Sniper]

Can't argue with Goffie's idea as the simplest way is the best way more times then not.

BUT....
I'm not opposed to all non playoff teams being treated equal. I personally would rather reward a 9th seed that tried to make the playoffs over 15th seed that never had any intentions. If we are indeed implementing a non tanking system then lets goo all the way

[TurdFerguson]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

Can't argue with Goffie's idea as the simplest way is the best way more times then not.

BUT....
I'm not opposed to all non playoff teams being treated equal. I personally would rather reward a 9th seed that tried to make the playoffs over 15th seed that never had any intentions. If we are indeed implementing a non tanking system then lets goo all the way

Where do you draw the line between a bad team and a tanking team though? Just because a team is the worst in the league doesn't mean they are tanking nor should they be punished further for finishing dead last imo.

Is the intent of the rule to mirror what the NHL does or are we trying to find a way to prevent tanking? two separate conversations I think.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

Where do you draw the line between a bad team and a tanking team though? Just because a team is the worst in the league doesn't mean they are tanking nor should they be punished further for finishing dead last imo.

Is the intent of the rule to mirror what the NHL does or are we trying to find a way to prevent tanking? two separate conversations I think.

A bit of both.
The intent is to demotivate people from tanking, while also introducing a rather fun element from the NHL/NBA.

[dsavillian]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

Can't argue with Goffie's idea as the simplest way is the best way more times then not.

BUT....
I'm not opposed to all non playoff teams being treated equal. I personally would rather reward a 9th seed that tried to make the playoffs over 15th seed that never had any intentions. If we are indeed implementing a non tanking system then lets goo all the way

I think a lot of the fun in trading picks is speculating where teams will end up at the end of the year.

That would be my argument for keeping a weighted lottery


Goffie's suggestion is pretty awesome though.