Should this dog owner be charged?

[Cowperson]

Outrage in San Francisco where a young boy was mauled to death by the family pit bulls . . . . the controversy centers around comments from the mother.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/061205_nw_pit_bull.html

Is she culpable in her son's death? Should she be charged?

She locked her young son in her basement while she went out on errands and told him not to go into the rest of the house because she felt her pit bulls were dangerous.

"I put him down there, with a shovel on the door," Faibish said in an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle. "And I told him: `Stay down there until I come back.' Typical Nicky, he wouldn't listen to me."

"It was Rex. I know it in my heart," Faibish said. "My younger dog (Ella) was in heat and anyone who came near her, Rex saw as a threat. He may have been trying to mate. It was a freak accident. It was just the heat of the moment."

Faibish returned mid-afternoon to discover her son's lifeless body in a bedroom. He was covered in blood from several wounds, including a major head injury.

"It's Nicky's time to go," Faibish said. "When you're born you're destined to go and this was his time."

"I'm not mad at my dogs," Faibish said. "I just love them to death."

Cowperson

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Yes, yes, and yes. I mean instead of locking her dogs in the basement, she locks her son in the basement. That should be indication of itself that she has some screwed up priorities. I know some people really love their dogs, but when it is between your dogs and your son hell any reasonable human, you can not pick your dogs. That in itself should be a charge, I don't know what they could do, but I am sure that you could find many child welfare laws which that would violate.

She then keeps dangerous animals in the same house as her child, and has no safety precautions, even when she knows they are a threat. And don't tell me locking a 12 year old in a basement is a saferty precaution. The worst part is she seems to be upset at her son, more than she is at the dogs, although then again it is almost impossible to tell from a news story.

Fromt he information that was given, and not knowing the California Criminal Code, I would hope there would be charges such as wreckless endangerment of a child causing death, or something to that effect. Once again I don't know if that is a charge there, but that would fit the bill quite nicely.

I don't blame the animals either, I blame the idiot mother in this situation.

[Frank the Tank]

Please remove her ovaries. Please.

[Looger]

"I'm not mad at my dogs," Faibish said. "I just love them to death."

Yet she also acknowledged she would never want Rex back in her house.

"I told them I wanted him put down," she said. "I think of Rex as someone who ... murdered my child."

hmmmm...

she should be charged, yes. with a bunch of criminal negligence causing death, etc. at least.

dogs have be put down, too.

i've never been one for restricting dog breeds, but in a world where people like this are allowed to own dogs, then maybe it's an ugly compromise. some breeds do have quicker triggers and will disavow all training in certain situations.

until you can ban owners, maybe breeds do have to be banned. things like this would happen a lot less.

[Resolute 14]

Sounds like she left the kid alone with no human supervision.

Abandonment, neglect, wrongful imprisonment, criminal negligence causing death.

I'd also be inclined to charge her with manslaughter or homicide via depraved indifference. She knew the dogs were dangerous but allowed the situation to exist that was likely to cause serious injury or death.

[Reaper]

She should absolutely be charged.

She had a feeling the dogs may be dangerous that day and instead of locking the dogs up she puts her son in the basement and wedges a shovel under the doorknob.

Plus she seems really indifferent to her son's death and even defends the dogs somewhat.

Would it really have been that hard to take her son with her while she ran errands? I don't think so.

At the least she deserves a charge of child endangerment but I think she should be charged with criminal negligence and reckless endangerment as well.

[Frank the Tank]

I think the bigger issue here is not the fact that she had Pit Bulls, its that she had children. She obviously has no concept of responsibility or the attention that a child needs. Just sterilize her so this can't happen again.

[transplant99]

Gotta wonder what the hell her thought process was.

"OK i can lock the dogs in the basement or i can lock the kid in the basement....hmmm.....yup lets put the kid in the basement as he has les chance of opening the door and than the dogs, thereby averting any potential for trouble between the two"

JeezuzH tapdancing christ.....throw her away and lose the keys.

[Looger]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@Jun 14 2005, 03:26 PM
I think the bigger issue here is not the fact that she had Pit Bulls, its that she had children. She obviously has no concept of responsibility or the attention that a child needs. Just sterilize her so this can't happen again.

the only problem with 'sterilizing the stupid' is that people themselves make the judgements.

let's run through the list of recent american foreign policy decisions and decide if that particular government should be given that particular license.

it's been tried before and it always gets abused.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Looger+Jun 14 2005, 10:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Looger @ Jun 14 2005, 10:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Frank the Tank@Jun 14 2005, 03:26 PM
I think the bigger issue here is not the fact that she had Pit Bulls, its that she had children. She obviously has no concept of responsibility or the attention that a child needs. Just sterilize her so this can't happen again.

the only problem with 'sterilizing the stupid' is that people themselves make the judgements.

let's run through the list of recent american foreign policy decisions and decide if that particular government should be given that particular license.

it's been tried before and it always gets abused. [/b][/quote]
I will happily make the decisions on who gets sterilized. Where do I sign up?

[habernac]

just feed her to her friggin dogs. Unbelievable how some humans lack basic common sense.

[Looger]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank+Jun 14 2005, 03:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Frank the Tank @ Jun 14 2005, 03:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

the only problem with 'sterilizing the stupid' is that people themselves make the judgements.

let's run through the list of recent american foreign policy decisions and decide if that particular government should be given that particular license.

it's been tried before and it always gets abused.

I will happily make the decisions on who gets sterilized. Where do I sign up? [/b][/quote]
nazi germany.

good luck.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Looger+Jun 14 2005, 10:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Looger @ Jun 14 2005, 10:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I will happily make the decisions on who gets sterilized. Where do I sign up?

nazi germany.

good luck. [/b][/quote]
HA! That made me spit Pepsi all over my computer screen!!

[pope04]

"It was Nicky's time to go. When you're born, you're destined to go, and this was his time."

Any parent that utters this in reference to their child's wholly preventable death is a reprobate.

[Cheese]

woaaaaaa....Im sorry but this woman deserves to be thrown to the dogs as she did with her child. I agree with the others.,...sterilize her after she spends 50 years in max security prison. What an absolute moron.

[Eagle Eye]

A qoute from the article

"She believes her son found a way out".

At first I thought that this boy must have been 6 or 7, but he was 12 years old. Did she really think that her son wouldn't be able to figure a way out of the basement at 12?

This womens actions/comments are absolutely brutal. She deserves death in my opinion. No one that stupid and ignorant should be allowed to live. This was no accident, it is almost akin to murder.

[Eagle Eye]

Here is a link that I found in the news article relating to the family

http://www.ripoffreport.com/view.asp...0&view=printer

Sounds like a good home

[Faid1]

White trash pitbull owners? Is there any other kind?

[flamingchina]

There are a couple of other articles about this around, can't find the one I'm looking for though, but I guess: (additional facts)
There were plastic bags in the basement, as they were moving, so she was worried about the dogs ripping them apart.
She sent out her 9 year old son to get her 12 year old son some chips and pop and such.
and from what I've heard she was on a field trip/picnic wiht her daughter.
Anyways, this is of course not really the dogs fault, but of course hers, and of course she needs to be charged with atleast manslaughter.

[Flame On]

Originally posted by fotze+Jun 14 2005, 12:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fotze @ Jun 14 2005, 12:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Faid1@Jun 14 2005, 12:04 PM
White trash pitbull owners? Is there any other kind?

That's true, I don't think I've ever seen a pitbull walking with an owner that had a shirt on. [/b][/quote]
And I think there's some law where they have to have some cheesey "I'm tough" tattoo that's really poorly executed.
That woman totatlly needs some time behind bars with some serious councelling/observation. If even only for her almost remorseless comment about "it was his time" that's seems sociopathic!