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HeartsOfFire · 09-18-2010, 11:30 AM

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...shColumbiaHome

While other media outlets are desperately trying to score some major viewership in the midst of the Pitt Meadows facebook rape, CTV has uncovered some interesting details from other witnesses that were at the party.

As I was saying in the original thread, what we're being told, what is being reported, and what actually happened may not all be the same story.

Now having said that, it's still important to bear in mind that no matter what way you look at it, photographs were taken and spread throughout facebook. They've gone viral, absolutely.

CalgaryPuck has been pwned in the past, as Regorium aptly pointed out in the last thread:

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The fact of the matter is, in two weeks, CP (including myself) has been owned by two different hoaxes (12 year old "rape" and acid girl). Never a bad thing to take a slightly more neutral stance.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if this girl actually consented to have sex with multiple guys at the rave because she was so out of it, and upon seeing the pictures taken the following day on Facebook, is now deciding to claim she was raped in order to save face. But I'm not stating right here that that is what happened.

As more details emerge, the truth will eventually come out.

rubecube · 09-18-2010, 11:39 AM

Did this really need it's own thread?

EDIT: My bad. Didn't see the other one locked.

Komskies · 09-18-2010, 11:40 AM

I believe the former thread was locked.

HeartsOfFire · 09-18-2010, 11:40 AM

Given that the other thread was locked before I could post this, yes.

rubecube · 09-18-2010, 11:41 AM

Yeah, I edited my post. Sorry.

GirlySports · 09-18-2010, 11:47 AM

I feel sad that the media and police seem (in my opinion) to be more concerned about the videos and photos being public than the rape itself and the victim herself.

Blaster86 · 09-18-2010, 11:48 AM

If she was drugged (or even just really high or drunk) she was not in a proper state of mind to consent to sex. This is especially true if the drugs were given to her against her will or without her knowledge.

It is still rape in that case, no saving face necessary.

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I feel sad that the media and police seem (in my opinion) to be more concerned about the videos and photos being public than the rape itself and the victim herself.

They are worried about it BECAUSE of the victim. Her face isn't censored out, everyone can see who it is. People who have never met her cities away. She can't hide from this. It'll be incredibly damaging in the long run. And just because they are going to the media about the pictures does not mean they're doing everything the can for this girl. Getting those pictures to disappear is a huge priority though.

HeartsOfFire · 09-18-2010, 11:51 AM

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I feel sad that the media and police seem (in my opinion) to be more concerned about the videos and photos being public than the rape itself and the victim herself.

They're more concerned about the videos and photo's because -- at this point -- they are the only concrete illegal entities here. Whether this girl was raped, or whether she voluntarily engaged in intercourse with all the males alleged, photographing or filming the act is illegal because she's a minor.

The question of her rape is -- in my opinion -- still up in the air.

Blaster86 · 09-18-2010, 11:52 AM

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The question of her rape is -- in my opinion -- still up in the air.

It really isn't. At all.

GirlySports · 09-18-2010, 11:56 AM

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They are worried about it BECAUSE of the victim. Her face isn't censored out, everyone can see who it is. People who have never met her cities away. She can't hide from this. It'll be incredibly damaging in the long run. And just because they are going to the media about the pictures does not mean they're doing everything the can for this girl. Getting those pictures to disappear is a huge priority though.

Pictures can't disappear now. So I think that is a dog chasing it's tail. I mean the pictures could be on all our computers now.

I haven't looked at the case in detail but can Facebook be sued?

I'm sure they're doing everything they can for this girl, it just doesn't seem to be reported as much

Blaster86 · 09-18-2010, 11:59 AM

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I'm sure they're doing everything they can for this girl, it just doesn't seem to be reported as much

How often to Police report their work with a rape victim? Never by my count. The current circulation of what in essence is child pornography that really needs to be stopped is something you definitely try and shut people up about, but I agree with Thor. Reporting that it exists in this day and age was definitely not a smart move by any means. It was like fanning a wildfire to help it spread.

jar_e · 09-18-2010, 12:43 PM

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If she was drugged (or even just really high or drunk) she was not in a proper state of mind to consent to sex. This is especially true if the drugs were given to her against her will or without her knowledge.

It is still rape in that case, no saving face necessary.

But in the same breath...I'm sure the offenders were both drunk and high...they can't consent to sex either....so does that mean they were raped too?

Northendzone · 09-18-2010, 12:49 PM

i enjoyed reading how the one guy apparently heard she was saying stuff and how he does not beleive she was raped.......

i have to admit i found the stastement by horton at the end (where thanks to pic's and the ent the victim gets to relive this) thought provoking

Mean Mr. Mustard · 09-18-2010, 12:53 PM

Personally I feel as though that CTV video reflects poorly upon the moronic teenagers at the high school, especially the one who said that it wasn't a rape.

If a girl is drunk or high or worse yet drugged by way of a date rape drug - under no circumstances should anyone have sex with them, especially if that other person is sober enough to operate a camera phone. And for the comment about her being charged with raping the men... I have the feeling that the 6 guys there were not being held down by a 16 year old girl.

Ozy_Flame · 09-18-2010, 12:55 PM

If she actually consented to this, it's very likely it was done under duress and still considered a crime.

HeartsOfFire · 09-18-2010, 01:34 PM

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It really isn't. At all.

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i enjoyed reading how the one guy apparently heard she was saying stuff and how he does not beleive she was raped.......

i have to admit i found the stastement by horton at the end (where thanks to pic's and the ent the victim gets to relive this) thought provoking

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If she actually consented to this, it's very likely it was done under duress and still considered a crime.

Obviously none of you guys have had the experience of dealing with a sociopath that uses sex to exert control over boys or men. This may surprise you, but not every girl out there likes barbie dolls, unicorns, rainbows, and the colour pink. Some girls/women can be downright evil.

At any rate, there IS a chance that she was perfectly all right with all of this, but in the wake of the release of the pictures/videos and the subsequent embarrassment, she's now trying to save face by claiming rape.

Maybe.

Mean Mr. Mustard · 09-18-2010, 01:46 PM

Sure it is possible that the alleged victim of a sexual assault is a sexual devient who is determined to ruin the lives of as many men as she can by getting according to the police seriously injured during the course of a sexual assualt... Sorry but when there are pictures posted online which I am sure the police have seen as well as reports that the medical professionals have given to the police... I will trust their opinions on the matter, rather than yours which seems to revolve around the theory that she is a bitch,

Blaster86 · 09-18-2010, 02:16 PM

brb going to rape some girls then say they're just sociopathic bitches when I am done.

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Obviously none of you guys have had the experience of dealing with a sociopath that uses sex to exert control over boys or men. This may surprise you, but not every girl out there likes barbie dolls, unicorns, rainbows, and the colour pink. Some girls/women can be downright evil.

I have had an ex accuse me of raping her at a party because she saw me and my new girlfriend together. There was no basis for it other than her being a compulsive liar and a jealous cow.

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At any rate, there IS a chance that she was perfectly all right with all of this, but in the wake of the release of the pictures/videos and the subsequent embarrassment, she's now trying to save face by claiming rape.

Except I am pretty sure she went to the police before the wide spread release. Or maybe she consented while drunk but didn't know it was going to be filmed. Consenting to sex, then finding out things weren't as you thought and were in such a way that you would not have consented still means it was non-consensual.

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Maybe.

The moment we stop at every sexual assault or rape and say "While maybe she's lying," before fully investigating it is the moment we start doing serious injustice to the woman who come forward. Considering a large amount of rapes go un-reported because of fear of your very way of thinking says a whole lot to me about how this type of thought process needs to die in a fire.

HeartsOfFire · 09-18-2010, 02:19 PM

The opinions of law enforcement are being forged by the story that is being told to them by the girl, her family, and the pictures circulating. It hasn't been very long since the story was broken, and there's still plenty of time for other evidence to be brought forward, particularly testimony of the accused. Their opinions are also made to tow the line in relation to public outcry. If they were to come out and say 'actually people, this may not have been rape,' John Q. Public would have their badges, Women's Rights and Victims Rights advocates would be up in arms, and MP's would likely get involved. The public has already made their decision; To hell with due process.

I have a problem with that. And that's why I continue to take the Neutral road and play Devil's Advocate.

The only thing concretely illegal at this point is the pictures/video.

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I have had an ex accuse me of raping her at a party because she saw me and my new girlfriend together. There was no basis for it other than her being a compulsive liar and a jealous cow.

Then I find it alarming that with this as personal experience, you can't fathom my scenario as being possible.

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Except I am pretty sure she went to the police before the wide spread release. Or maybe she consented while drunk but didn't know it was going to be filmed. Consenting to sex, then finding out things weren't as you thought and were in such a way that you would not have consented still means it was non-consensual.

Given the information that has been released to the public, and the two of us are drawing different suppositions, I'll give you that. However, the statement I have bolded above is absolutely wrong. If you consent to sex, engage in and subsequently complete the act, then try to turn around and claim rape, you are going to be in for a shock if that consent can be proven. Otherwise, as burn_this_city aptly put it:

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If thats the case, then every guy whos ever lied to get laid is a rapist.

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The moment we stop at every sexual assault or rape and say "While maybe she's lying," before fully investigating it is the moment we start doing serious injustice to the woman who come forward. Considering a large amount of rapes go un-reported because of fear of your very way of thinking says a whole lot to me about how this type of thought process needs to die in a fire.

And the longer the general public continues to allow this guilty-until-proven-innocent mindset to continue, the longer it will take for humanity to reach a stage of intellectual enlightenment. Thankfully, the law of the land does not cater to public opinion and rightly uses the innocent-until-proven-guilty foundation. In my opinion, your thought process is what needs to die in a fire.

Blaster86 · 09-18-2010, 02:21 PM

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The opinions of law enforcement are being forged by the story that is being told to them by the girl, her family, and the pictures circulating.

Police will never openly comment on an on-going investigation like this. Ever. If news reports and the family are coming forward... well where there's smoke there's fire.