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Old 07-13-2010, 11:17 AM   #1
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A friend of mine who runs a religious blog told me about this over the phone, and I looked into it yesterday while I was supposed to be working. In case many of you are not familiar with Ergun Caner and Liberty University, the enclosed information is an entertaining read.

Without going into elaborate detail, this may go down as one of biggest religious scams of the late-twentieth century: Ergun Caner was until last month the President of the Seminary and Graduate School at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University. He has become famous in the past decade as a devout ex-Muslim, who was raised in the Islamic block, but came to the US with his families to build Mosques, and to engage in clandestine religious terrorist activities. Upon his conversion he was disowned by his family and ostracized within the Islamic community as an infidel. He has gained notoriety as a self-proclaimed "expert" in the teachings of Islam and Islamic culture; he and his brother wrote a best-selling book entitled Unveiling Islam: An Insider's Look at Muslim Life and Beliefs. He has kept busy through speaking engagements and conference appearances in Evangelical circles, and through his enigmatic presentation basically reinforces already horribly twisted and shameful stereotypes that most American Christians have of Muslims.

The problem is, Caner basically lied about the ENTIRE thing. He appears to have never been a sincere Muslim, and only since the terrorist attacks of 11 Sept., 2001, has he erected this facade of his past, and used it to spread misinformation to his gullible audiences. In his presentations as an "expert"—complete with a phony Arabic accent—he has confused basic Islamic teachings, standard religious terminology, and very frequently misinterprets and badly misconstrues simple things that virtually every Muslim should know. He falsified his academic credentials, has committed DOZENS of contradictions in his own biography of the most bizarre sort, and in his public presentations, likes to regularly "quote" from the Qu'ran in Arabic, when really all he is doing is muttering jibberish, fabricating a "translation" and attributing it to the Islamic sacred teachings, thus taking fill advantage of his audiences' ignorance.

Liberty University has recently demoted him, but—perhaps unsurprisingly—have agreed to keep him on as a faculty member in the philosophy dept. A number of prominent evangelical public figures have recently come forward, and have defended his actions under the guise that the end justify the means: It seems to matter very little that this busted con-artist is a complete fraud, so long as he is doing it for the cause of Christ. Liberty seems to have no qualms about allowing this man to continue to educate their student body.

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http://www.fakeexmuslims.com/
http://mmmirele.blogspot.com/search/label/Ergun%20Caner
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:37 AM   #2
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They are neither muslim nor christian despite whatever they decide to claim to be.

It really is disgusting to see people devote their lives to the business of lies and empty convictions... even worse when they inevitably demonize a whole group of people.
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What I find most reprehensible is not only that Caner successfully engaged in such an elaborate fraud, it is that the Christian community of which he is a part refuses to to anything about it. I have read a number of statements now from Liberty, John Ankerburg, and Norman Geisler, which all basically come to the same conclusion: that Caner is sincere; that he made some "mistakes" and committed lapses of forgetfulness, but that despite these, he is a genuine man of God: a man of integrity who's good name is being slandered on baseless grounds.

It is ridiculous.
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When I hear the name Liberty university I cringe, what a sad place to be.
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I've met some of their upper-level faculty members. It still makes me cringe. The students at Liberty don't get an education.
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What a shock Evangelicals slandering Islam any way they can. You should see the hate cartoons this moron sends my girlfriend at work because hes trying to "save" her.
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What a shock Evangelicals slandering Islam any way they can. You should see the hate cartoons this moron sends my girlfriend at work because hes trying to "save" her.
Pics or it didn't happen.



.....of either the girlfriend or the comics... whichever - I'm easily entertained.
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I'm trying to find the cartoons. Some of them are pretty racist.
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Interesting.

It seems that Caner was something of a budding actor in high school. Could the "ex-Muslim extremist" character have been his best performance?

http://turretinfan.blogspot.com/2010...gun-caner.html
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Why am I not surprised?
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Busted links :/

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moon god?!

Here's the link to the full thing.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp

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moon god?!

Here's the link to the full thing.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp
Sorry I thought it picked up the whole thing.
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Why does Jesus look like the singer from the band Alabama? On a serious note you should get that a$$clown fired.
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Wow...just...wow.

I feel for your girlfriend. That isn't just harrassment, thats abuse.
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Hahahaha, I seriously LOVE religious educational cartoons. Especially Mormon ones. I remember reading one about Catholicism, which is how I was raised, and wow... there was a ton of BS in there!

Haha good times.
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If the guy won't stop, have her talk to HR about it. If they seem reluctant to do anything the three magic words to remember are: hostile work environment.
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Ah, the amazing Chick tracts.

I still have a lot of the original comics at home. I'm fixing up to do a book burning soon.
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