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Old 08-18-2012, 06:16 AM   #1
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Default Adam Mueller, CopBlock.org Founder, Sentenced For Reporting School Police Brutality

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1783017.html

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Old 08-18-2012, 08:36 AM   #2
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So let me get this straight, this person says we should allow for wiretapping without a warrant and without the knowledge of the people involved?

Nothing possibly bad could come of that.
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Recording your phone conversations is considered wiretapping under the law?
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So let me get this straight, this person says we should allow for wiretapping without a warrant and without the knowledge of the people involved?

Nothing possibly bad could come of that.
That's what you got from that story?!?


Wiretapping makes me think of tapping someone else's phone, not recording my own converstions to uncover corrupt school officials and police brutality.
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Recording your phone conversations is considered wiretapping under the law?


You cannot record a phone call without someone's permission.

Is that really that obscure knowledge? Like every time you call virtually any larger company with an automated attendant, the recording says "This call may be monitored or recorded for training or quality of service reasons".

They are not saying it for their health.

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That's what you got from that story?!?


Wiretapping makes me think of tapping someone else's phone, not recording my own converstions to uncover corrupt school officials and police brutality.
And yes, Mueller is trying to overturn that law, so that is what I got out of the article.
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And yes, Mueller is trying to overturn that law, so that is what I got out of the article.
Not the fact that he uncovered a corrupt school official and police brutality on a minor. Those were the things I got out of the article.

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Ok?

I said I didn't think it'd be called wiretapping.




Not the fact that he uncovered a corrupt school official and police brutality on a minor. Those were the things I got out of the article.
Well the OP and thread topic, and the majority of the article were discussing his arrest, which was for violation of the wiretapping law. I am sure his allegations about the assault are likely well founded, hut the fact that he broke the law to prove it, seemed to overshadow that

As for the naming of the law, or having that law cover both tapping yours or another persons phone to record conversations without them being aware, I am not sure why t here is an issue. The 2 things are identical in many ways.
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Well the OP and thread topic, and the majority of the article were discussing his arrest, which was for violation of the wiretapping law. I am sure his allegations about the assault are likely well founded, hut the fact that he broke the law to prove it, seemed to overshadow that

As for the naming of the law, or having that law cover both tapping yours or another persons phone to record conversations without them being aware, I am not sure why t here is an issue. The 2 things are identical in many ways.
And that's the unfortunate part. I think the end totally justifies the means in this case and I can't believe that this guy is actually getting into trouble for outing these pieces of trash (am I allowed to call a cop a piece of trash if he beat up a kid?).
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You cannot record a phone call without someone's permission.

Is that really that obscure knowledge? Like every time you call virtually any larger company with an automated attendant, the recording says "This call may be monitored or recorded for training or quality of service reasons".

They are not saying it for their health.
As far as obscure knowledge goes, I live in Canada, and I just assumed the majority of the people on here are also Canadian, and it isn't illegal here to record a phone conversation you are having. If you're talking with someone, and you yourself know the conversation is being recorded, it is perfectly legal to do so without the other person knowing. It's illegal for a 3rd-party to eavesdrop, though, and obviously companies differ in some respects because of the information they collect from you.

My post was about it being called "wiretapping" in the US, though.
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Not the fact that he uncovered a corrupt school official and police brutality on a minor. Those were the things I got out of the article.
Ends justify the means?

Tbh, I haven't read the article but just thinking out loud . . .
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