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Old 05-14-2012, 11:49 AM   #1
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So Charles and his misses are coming to Canada in a few weeks.

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Their Royal Highnesses, Prince Charles, The Prince of Wales and Camilla, The Duchess of Cornwall are visiting Canada May 20 to 23, 2012


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If I recall the cost of these visits are usually paid by the country they visit.

Is it time move away from our connection to the Royals?
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:52 AM   #2
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Does Canada need the Royals? - No.

Is it time to move away from our connection to the Royals? - Yes.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:55 AM   #3
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If the costs aren't outrageous and if there's some benefit to the relationship continuing I'm supportive of it. It's part of our history. I don't think we should abolish remembrance day because there's events put on across the county that likely cost the government. And NO I'M NOT comparing the significance of Remembrance day to the Royals visiting.

Additionally I'm only stating this opinion based on them "visting" with respect to having influence on Canada. . . That would likely warrant a different response from me.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:07 PM   #4
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No. Wtf is wrong with a little heritage and culture?

The Monarchy is a huge part of who we are as a nation. Canada has barely any identity on it's own as such a young country. I for one am proud of our heritage as a former member of the commonwealth. Nothing wrong with a little history and culture.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:08 PM   #5
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Given the choice between King Harper and Queen Elizebeth I'd take Liz.
The cost issue is a canard anyway as whether we have a Queen or a Presidant or something else we would need a head of state of some sort and it will cost money, in fact it is likley that our current situation is about the cheapest we can get, we have a Queen we only have to pay for every 5 years or so.
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Do we need them? No.

Should we move away? No. It's part of our history and heritage. It gives Canada a shot of culture, it's nice to see.

I don't really understand the vehement opposition some folks have for the Monarch.
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I really don't see what the big deal is. It's a part of our history and they have no actual power in Canada. Canada is part of the Commonwealth, and there is no harm in acknowledging that.

Obviously, the public wants to see them or they wouldn't bother to hold these events. Noone is forcing people to show up and cheer. This isn't North Korea.

Should the monarchs remain on our money...that's another issue. Quite frankly, what else would we put on there. Pictures of old prime ministers?

As far as economic costs, not really all that big of a deal, as most of the money will be paid to Canadian employees/companies. The government will also receive some of the money back through taxes generated by increased commerce associate with these kind of events.
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Is there any real benefit or gain from removing ourselves from the Royals? It doesn't seem to matter one way or another so why change if they want to continue coming over?
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This was posted to get some debate and discussion, thank you for the responses.

I think we should move away from them "head of state". I believe the country, if we wish to grow needs to distance itself from the Monarchy. Should we ignore them no, they can remain a part of our history. Should we be swearing allegiance to them.....no I don't think so.
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Is there any real benefit or gain from removing ourselves from the Royals? It doesn't seem to matter one way or another so why change if they want to continue coming over?
because they don't pay their own way......if they want to fund their trips fine, but I reckon this will shake out to cost around $2 million.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:23 PM   #11
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The Queen staying in Britain during WWII, which did a lot for the troop moral of the commonwealth nations. I think their current place of prestige has been earned and there is some real value that they bring to the table, but the world will quickly move on if the Royal family just becomes a bunch of euro-trash weirdos.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:23 PM   #12
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Do you need them? No.

You missed the opportunity to let them go, however, when the Queen/Charles spent a decade bungling how they handled Diana and the Monarchy fell into disgrace with her death.

Since then, the Queen remodelled herself and a hugely popular Kate & William have ridden into the picture.

You don't have a chance in hell of getting rid of the Monarchy for another 50 or more years if things play out like seems to be happening.

And just to reinforce that trend, I highly doubt Charles will be King.

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To me it's not so much the costs, but rather I find the idea of monarchy to be morally repugnant. No one's station in life should be solely a result of who their ancestors were in my opinion.
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The cost issue is a canard anyway as whether we have a Queen or a Presidant or something else we would need a head of state of some sort and it will cost money, in fact it is likley that our current situation is about the cheapest we can get, we have a Queen we only have to pay for every 5 years or so.
Why? Just because we're removing a symbolic head of state doesn't mean we have to replace her with a new one. In fact, we could get rid of the Governor General position too while we're at it.
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It's not like they have any say in how are country is run, so I honestly don't really care too much either way. It is kind of nice to honour part of our history though, so I don't really get why there are people who are so worked up over it.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:45 PM   #17
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^ +1



"I Hate The Bloody Queen" by The Queen Haters (SCTV, 1982):

I've always had a dream
I'd like to meet the Queen
I'd like to punch her in the face
Yeah, that would make me laugh

I'd like to kick her in the teeth

And then I'd take a picture of it
In lovely Ektachrome
And then I'd give it to the Prince

I hate the bloody Queen

She makes me go to school
I hate the bloody Queen
And all her bloody rules

I'd like to drown the Queen

Off the coast of Argentine
Throw her off a battleship
With her Falklands war machine

She taxes me to death

I can't afford me dope
I'd like to get her high
Yeah, that would make me laugh

I hate the bloody Queen

She makes me go to school
I hate the bloody Queen
And all her bloody rules

I hate the bloody Queen

I hate the bloody Queen
I hate the bloody Queen
I hate the bloody Queen

I feel sorry for you Lady Di, having a mother-in-law like that!
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:46 PM   #18
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When the queen dies and we have to redo our money, I would like to see a move away from the royal family, unless it has some serious benefits for us, the monarchy simply isn't necessary anymore.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:50 PM   #19
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Meh, I could care less if they come over, and 2 million is f-all to spend appeasing the fans of the monarchy.

If you want to sever ties however, start with the governer general. I still don't know what their role is, other than flying around the world on a continuous holiday, while holding the power to veto legislative bills. I don't think it's ever happened (GG actually vetoing something), but having someone who is the queens representative with that much power is a little annoying.
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Old 05-14-2012, 12:52 PM   #20
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I hated the royals until Kate's yellow dress.
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