Anyone try prolotherapy for ligaments? - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

crashbandit · 09-10-2011, 03:43 PM

I have had problems with my back for the past 3 years and over that time I've concluded that it's a problem in my SI (sacroiliac) joints. I believe that the ligaments in my SI are slack and causing stuctural problem through my body.

I'm hoping to try prolotherapy to "tighten" up these ligs, which will restore proper biomechanics through my whole body. Since the pelvis is the foundation of our bodies.

Anyone try prolotherapy on the SI joints? Or even anywhere else on the body? If so, can you give me details on your experience please (who, how many, etc?)

I'd really appreciate any imput on this and hope you all are enjoying the nice weather this weekend

Thank you very much.

CaptainCrunch · 09-10-2011, 03:54 PM

You've concluded? What has your doctor concluded?

Before you start trying self diagnosis and self designed treatments, especially on your back, maybe seeing a doctor is a better idea.

crashbandit · 09-10-2011, 04:02 PM

Captain,

I know but I've seen so many doctor and therapists and they can't help me. I havn't got diagnosed but I've researched so much that I know it's my SI joint. I've had it for 3 years and it's my best shot at hitting this at the root of the problem.

Slava · 09-10-2011, 04:29 PM

I've never done prolo, but I know people who have. They told me it didn't do anything for them in terms of actual relief, but in the meantime was excruciating!

To tighten the ligaments wouldn't some kind of targeted exercise be best? I'm no doctor, but that just makes more sense. I have a horrible back as well and I do know what you mean about seeing a lot of therapists, chiropractors, doctors, etc. who all think they know the solution. Frankly its best for me when I'm in good shape and exercising regularly.

Tron_fdc · 09-10-2011, 04:34 PM

Sacroiliac? Is that a rap sack back pack? No? Wick wack, gimme some slack jack.

Let your backbone slide, my friend.

Derek Sutton · 09-10-2011, 04:37 PM

I have not had much luck with Doctors and back problems, just got the "pain relief perscription" and never got them filled. My wife has the best diagnosis when she told me to start doing sit ups, that ever helped. I'm not familliar with your type of injury or the treament your taliking about but have you ever had "BodyTalk"? It was the immediate pain relief I needed several times over the years. My Aunt and Cousin are big time healers, it may sound all hocus pocus but it does work/ worked for me.
http://www.bodytalksystem.com/
My cousin works in Calgary, heres her clinic
http://www.innergrowth.ca/
I think she is also a registered massage therapist and the treaments may be covered as part of your benefits package.

edmontonice · 09-10-2011, 05:06 PM

I have had a lot of success with my SI joint problems with rolling on lacrosse balls, or two lacrosse balls taped together.

crashbandit · 09-10-2011, 09:51 PM

Thanks everyone,

edmontonice, how did you roll on the lacross balls? Just on the trigger points on the SI?

kipperfan · 09-10-2011, 10:51 PM

Prolo is crap, there is no conclusive evidence that it has any benefit to the human body, I would ask your doctor about it if your unsure, I would be shocked if he/she said anything different then I just did.

flamesrule_kipper34 · 09-11-2011, 04:03 AM

Prolo is crap, in fact I opened up a thread about this last summer.

I had back problems and went on Viet herbs and they took my pain to a insanely manageable state now, I went from being unable to sit for more than 10 minutes without pain to working a desk job now 8 hours a day virtually no pain.

edmontonice · 09-11-2011, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by crashbandit

Thanks everyone,

edmontonice, how did you roll on the lacross balls? Just on the trigger points on the SI?

I guess just looking for "soft" spots around the hips, looking for tightness.

http://www.mobilitywod.com/2010/12/e...in-basics.html

He gets a little too much into detail for me, but my SI locked up on vacation this summer and I pretty much fixed it that day by popping a squat and hanging out there (my first experience with SI pain lasted 6 months)

crashbandit · 09-11-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by flamesrule_kipper34

Prolo is crap, in fact I opened up a thread about this last summer.

I had back problems and went on Viet herbs and they took my pain to a insanely manageable state now, I went from being unable to sit for more than 10 minutes without pain to working a desk job now 8 hours a day virtually no pain.

Hey flamesrules,

Yes, I searched your thread about you intereste din prolo. Did you ever try the prolo? I know it's hard to find much about prolo it seems. But what else can help loose ligs if that's the problem???

I'd love to hear more about this viet herbs? What is that exactly?

Sr. Mints · 09-11-2011, 07:07 PM

Maybe ask your doctor(s) what s/he thinks about this treatment. I've been doing physiotherapy for a while now, and have had some success strengthening my core, which has helped my posture, helped my balance, and I don't walk like a complete cripple now. In theory, strengthening my core muscles is also going to prevent my spine from curving as fast as it was a few years after a L1 burst compression fracture. It has taken a long time, and I was very skeptical at first, but physio has helped a lot.

I've never heard of prolotherapy before now, but a quick glance at the wiki has me thinking that it's expensive. Does insurance cover this sort of thing?

Edit: there's also a thread from a few months ago where I talk about my success with a physiatrist. I'd post a link for you, but my internet is screwy right now and have trouble, well, doing anything online. Just search "physiatrist" if you're interested.

go iggy · 09-11-2011, 08:01 PM

I tried prolotherapy and I'll say this... it was a waste of time and money. The pain sucks too! It did nothing for me. After I told my Chiropractor that it was a waste of time he said nothing to me. I've had back problems for 2 years but I only feel it at night when I sleep the rest of the time its fine. I've lost 35lbs and workout 5 days a week and no improvement. I've tried every therapy and tried 8 different beds. Nothing has worked so far. If you find something that does let me know, I would like to get a good nights sleep sometime.

troutman · 09-12-2011, 01:05 PM

http://www.skepticnorth.com/2010/01/prolotherapy/

Generally, and especially in medicine, if something sounds too good to be true (promoted vociferously without objectively acknowledging caveats), it probably is. There are always pros and cons that need to be considered – maybe sometimes more of one than the other, but both must be verified carefully with evidence. Ignoring information for the sake of promotion is not responsible medicine – so I must conclude that prolotherapy is not responsible medicine.

I won’t recommend an invasive treatment on a patient that at worst could cause harm and at best could do nothing when there are other available science-based methods. If there’s no evidence either way, I’ll try something low risk, but in this case there are acceptable alternatives. Given the current evidence, I would not recommend prolotherapy for shoulder subluxation, nor should anyone else until there is research to back it up.

The Herbal Minefield
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...ics/herbs.html

flamesrule_kipper34 · 09-12-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by crashbandit

Hey flamesrules,

Yes, I searched your thread about you intereste din prolo. Did you ever try the prolo? I know it's hard to find much about prolo it seems. But what else can help loose ligs if that's the problem???

I'd love to hear more about this viet herbs? What is that exactly?

The viet herbs I found through a family friend.

The herbologist is located in Mississagua, but we found them, described our entire history and current state and they created a specific mix for our situation and then have mailed it to us to use in Calgary.

I was highly skeptical about this going into it, but with the family friend involved and my current use of it, I highly recommend it.

If you want specific details/contact information PM me.

Eric Vail · 09-12-2011, 07:59 PM

I have loose ligaments in my upper back (T1) that make my neck hurt like heck when a ride my bike for a few hours. I had prolotherapy twice. Though there is some discomfort, I wouldn't say the pain from the procedure was significant. I also wouldn't say it really made much of a difference.

TheSutterDynasty · 09-12-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by go iggy

If you find something that does let me know, I would like to get a good nights sleep sometime.

A good physiotherapist.