Possible Bush Assassination Attempt in Tblisi

[FlamesAddiction]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7781473/

Sounds like someone attempted throwing an explosive device at Bush.

Can't say I'm really all that surprised though either.

[Displaced Flames fan]

A grenade that didn't explode is an assassination attempt?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@May 10 2005, 11:39 PM
A grenade that didn't explode is an assassination attempt?

Would a bullet that missed be considered an assassination attempt?

The fact that it did not blow up doesn't mean it wasn't an attempt to assassinate. Anyway, If you read it, I said "possible". As of now, we do not know if it was meant to go off, or if it was just to scare him, therefore given the available information, calling it a "possible" assassination attempt is reasonable - wouldn't you say?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@May 10 2005, 04:39 PM
A grenade that didn't explode is an assassination attempt?

Yes.
If someone threw a grenade at me, I would consider an attempt to kill me.
But I guess maybe I'm overreacting, it's only a grenade.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Not even close to the same thing and you know it.

A live grenade with a pin pulled doesn't get picked up and wisked away by anyone.

I would say there was a mock assassination attempt. You'll never convince me that someone threw a grenade intending to blow up the President and it just happened to be a dud. Sorry.

Possible assassination attempt? Sure, I guess that would be accurate in a literal sense. A little overly dramatic, but accurate.

[Mike F]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@May 10 2005, 06:59 PM
I would say there was a mock assassination attempt. You'll never convince me that someone threw a grenade intending to blow up the President and it just happened to be a dud. Sorry.

Update on the story

"A grenade hurled in a crowd during last week's speech by President Bush in the Georgian capital was live and considered a threat against the president, though it failed to explode because of a malfunction, the FBI said Wednesday"

"...the grenade, wrapped in a dark handkerchief, fell about 100 feet from the podium where Bush was speaking and 'simply failed to function.'"

"'We consider this act to be a threat against the health and welfare of the president of the United States as well as the welfare of the multitudes of Georgian people who turned up for this event,' Paarmann said."

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Wow Displaced gets schooled.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@May 10 2005, 05:39 PM
A grenade that didn't explode is an assassination attempt?

I don't see how it couldn't be considered an assasination attempt.

[Mike F]

Originally posted by Flames Draft Watcher@May 18 2005, 12:00 PM
Wow Displaced gets schooled.

I wouldn't say he got "schooled", but it does show the danger of making absolute, definitive statements before all of the evidence is in.

[4X4]

I can't believe that there are people who don't consider grenade hurling as an assassination attempt. Sorta like the people who don't think that blowing up people's SUVs is an act of terrorism...

[Faid1]

100 feet from the podium huh.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Faid1@May 18 2005, 10:51 PM
100 feet from the podium huh.

If it was an assassination attempt, it'll go down as one of the poorest ever.

Was the guy who flew a plane into the white house an assassin?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+May 19 2005, 12:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ May 19 2005, 12:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Faid1@May 18 2005, 10:51 PM
100 feet from the podium huh.

If it was an assassination attempt, it'll go down as one of the poorest ever.

Was the guy who flew a plane into the white house an assassin? [/b][/quote]
100 feet is only 30 steps (for me, 1 step = 1 metre anyway).

If the person threw it from a long distance, then that is pretty close. Still not the greatest throw, but it's not the same as if someone tried to shoot him and missed by 100 feet..

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Flames Draft Watcher@May 18 2005, 07:00 PM
Wow Displaced gets schooled.

Schooled? How about OWNED!? Isn't that the popular adolescent term being used these days?

I would like to see some numbers on what percentage of live grenades never explode. I'd bet it's extremely low. In fact, I'll stick by my statement above...I'm not convinced despite what the FBI says. Is it ok for me to NOT swallow their Kool-Aid and be like you guys?

Mike...what absolute, definitive statement did I make?

I like Ag's post above. If it was an assassination attempt it was woefully executed...and at some point woefully executed attempts of anything are no longer the things they were meant to be.

Bottom line for me in this thread though is that the headline used by the media was premature and overly dramatic in it's verbage, which was my point all along.

**edited for weird double negative**

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+May 18 2005, 06:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ May 18 2005, 06:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flames Draft Watcher@May 18 2005, 07:00 PM
Wow Displaced gets schooled.

Schooled? How about OWNED!? Isn't that the popular adolescent term being used these days?

I would like to see some numbers on what percentage of live grenades never explode. I'd bet it's extremely low. In fact, I'll stick by my statement above...I'm not convinced despite what the FBI says. Is it ok not for me to NOT swallow their Kool-Aid and be like you guys?

Mike...what absolute, definitive statement did I make?

I like Ag's post above. If it was an assassination attempt it was woefully executed...and at some point woefully executed attempts of anything are no longer the things they were meant to be.

Bottom line for me in this thread though is that the headline used by the media was premature and overly dramatic in it's verbage, which was my point all along. [/b][/quote]
I think it's "o3ned".

It'd be interesting to see if anything comes out of it? Would people get fired over this kind of thing? If the grenade had gone off it would have been a circus. But not, you know, like a fun circus. More like a bad circus with a lot of guns and shooting and rushing about.

[Displaced Flames fan]

That's what I was thinking 'Roos. If the FBI thinks it was a live grenade I would think the President's security detail would be in a world of trouble right now.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@May 18 2005, 06:40 PM
I think it's "o3ned".

You geezers. "pwned" is the more common one. )

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally posted by I-Hate-Hulse+May 18 2005, 08:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (I-Hate-Hulse @ May 18 2005, 08:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RougeUnderoos@May 18 2005, 06:40 PM
I think it's "o3ned".

You geezers. "pwned" is the more common one. ) [/b][/quote]
I really hate that one. I keep seeing it everywhere. It is actually pernounced "powned". Where did the P come from? It just seems like an arbitrary letter.

[jonesy]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+May 19 2005, 12:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ May 19 2005, 12:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Schooled? How about OWNED!? Isn't that the popular adolescent term being used these days?

I would like to see some numbers on what percentage of live grenades never explode. I'd bet it's extremely low. In fact, I'll stick by my statement above...I'm not convinced despite what the FBI says. Is it ok not for me to NOT swallow their Kool-Aid and be like you guys?

Mike...what absolute, definitive statement did I make?

I like Ag's post above. If it was an assassination attempt it was woefully executed...and at some point woefully executed attempts of anything are no longer the things they were meant to be.

Bottom line for me in this thread though is that the headline used by the media was premature and overly dramatic in it's verbage, which was my point all along.

I think it's "o3ned".

It'd be interesting to see if anything comes out of it? Would people get fired over this kind of thing? If the grenade had gone off it would have been a circus. But not, you know, like a fun circus. More like a bad circus with a lot of guns and shooting and rushing about. [/b][/quote]
I just have to say that is an incredible position to take. Unless you personally see it with your own eyes you won't believe it?

You want some 'numbers'?? What numbers would make you believe?

50% of grenades detonate when thrown?
99% of grenades detonate? I mean, shinguard, even if that was the case, there always has to be that one that doesn't go off.

Another thing, how do grenades go off? Is it strictly a timer or is a pressure thing caused by impact? Or the effect of removing pressure on the handle after removing the pin and hurling it?

[Faid1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pwn

Etymology
The most widely held theory is that pwn originated from a typo in first-person shooter games, the common mistake occurred from a hand position. The user, using his mouse right-handedly, would hold three of his fingers on the keys, "a", "w", and "d", along with the mouse in his right hand. When prompted to make a comment upon fragging his opponent, a quick motion to type the word owned resulted in a typo. Due to the proximity of the keys "p" and "o" on a standard QWERTY keyboard the user hit the "p" instead of the "o" key, resulting in the word pwned. Intentional misspellings based on keystroke errors are common in leet, such as teh for the and replacing exclamation points with 1s.

It's even worse when you hear people say it.