Recently bought an LG plasma- question re: IR/Burn-In

[speeds]

I have a question regarding IR.

I recently bought a LG Plasma, and had been noticing fairly significant (what I now understand to be) IR if I watched a channel like CNN or TSN for even half an hour. The IR seems to go away after 5 or 10 minutes of watching something else. I looked into this topic on the internet, and read about burn in and IR, so I have since turned down the contrast and brightness (to 45 out of 100), and am looking to avoid any static images/logos, and leave no black/grey bars either on the sides or the top and bottom.

My question is, does this get better over time, after 100-200 hours, or is what I see what I get in terms of image retention for this TV? I'm just wondering if the time the image hangs around is reduced or eliminated over time? I'm planning to use this TV to watch a lot of sports, particularly hockey, so I'm concerned about potentially burning a logo in.

As I've only had the TV for a week, I'm able to return it and pick up a LCD if it's going to be an issue, but I've also heard plasmas are best for sports so I'd prefer to keep the plasma if that's not going to be a problem.

[Vulcan]

I don't own a plasma but I've read that the first little while you have to be more careful in what you watch. Over at the AVS forum they even run break in programs for their Plasmas but others say it isn't necessary.

A good idea is to do some kind of calibration. If you don't have a calibration disc look up your model for some reviews, they often have some suggestions for your set up.

Avs forum can also help you out in this way.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=167

[Achmed]

You bought a LG plasma. That answers your question.

[jar_e]

Burn-in is a permanent "burned in" problem, ghosting is simply a retention for a short period of time that disappears. Ghosting can be reduced by adjusting your set conservatively for the first 100 hours.

True burn-in is literally extinct in newer plasmas.

[theinfinitejar]

My Samsung was a little prone to IR for the fist 100-200 hours but I've had very little since then.

[Nage Waza]

Like Vulcan said, calibrate your tv. Research and find the values for your TV, one for the burn in period and a second for once that period is done (if they are different).

[Bertuzzied]

Return it!!!

I'm so sad. My 55' LG 3D led tv is already down to $1699 at Costco.(plus it includes a 3d blu ray player) That is like $700 off from when i bought mine 3 months ago...

Plus it uses the cheap 3d theatre glasses. I have like 26 pairs now. hehe.

[speeds]

I bought it from costco, so I've got a while to return it. I'm thinking I'll continue to break it in and see if it gets any better, and if it doesn't return it at that time.

I have read that this can be an issue for plasmas, but I hadn't seen much talking about it if gets better after the break in period.

The picture is fantastic though, just concerned about the IR and, I guess, burn in. I vary my viewing enough that I'm not overly concerned about burn in, but it's a bit annoying to watch something for an hour, turn the channel and still be able to see the IR for a couple minutes afterwards (more if you walk up to the TV and look more closely).

[ken0042]

My LG plasma is about 3 years old, and I can tell you exactly what my fiancee was watching earlier.

We haven't had any permanant burn in; but we are always very cautious about not pausing shows, etc.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Achmed

You bought a LG plasma. That answers your question.

Happens to all models I am sure. Well, two from my experience.

Originally Posted by jar_e

Burn-in is a permanent "burned in" problem, ghosting is simply a retention for a short period of time that disappears. Ghosting can be reduced by adjusting your set conservatively for the first 100 hours.

True burn-in is literally extinct in newer plasmas.

Completely and utterly false. Two separate plasmas that I have owned within the past 11 months have gotten permanent burn in. Even with 200 hours of proper break in with slides, recommended by the folks at avsforums.

The question I always ask people is why they would ever want a plasma in the first place? I am by no means a videophile, and I can't tell the difference between LED, LCD, and plasma picture quality. That applies to sports as well (well, hockey anyway). I now own a 47" LG LED and it is beautiful. Not to mention the screen isn't glossy like a plasma so it is far more versatile in lighting conditions.

Plasmas IMO aren't worth the worry and constant babying. I have had several people on these and other forums tell me that they have never, ever had a problem...but then proceed to tell me that they never watch anything letterboxed and/or take breaks from certain formats on their display. I never have to concern myself with such precautions with my LED, and I didn't have to break it in either.

And for the record, I went through a series of television purchased at Costco and each one of them had a defect. I don't know if it is the way they transport them, or the fact that the models themselves differ slightly from the ones sold at stores like Visions, Bestbuy, Futureshop, etc. You can always notice that the same TV at Costco has a slightly different product code, and must be made exclusively for that store on the production line. Whatever it is, I will never trust their quality again.

This is all just my opinion based on some of the experiences I have had in the last year trying to buy a television. Good luck, and I hope you find something you can enjoy and appreciate!

[Achmed]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Return it!!!

I'm so sad. My 55' LG 3D led tv is already down to $1699 at Costco.(plus it includes a 3d blu ray player) That is like $700 off from when i bought mine 3 months ago...

Plus it uses the cheap 3d theatre glasses. I have like 26 pairs now. hehe.

curious what excuses you have made up to tell your friends why your cool 3D TV looks like crap compared to a true HD 3D TV.

[Achmed]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Happens to all models I am sure. Well, two from my experience.



Completely and utterly false. Two separate plasmas that I have owned within the past 11 months have gotten permanent burn in. Even with 200 hours of proper break in with slides, recommended by the folks at avsforums.

The question I always ask people is why they would ever want a plasma in the first place? I am by no means a videophile, and I can't tell the difference between LED, LCD, and plasma picture quality. That applies to sports as well (well, hockey anyway). I now own a 47" LG LED and it is beautiful. Not to mention the screen isn't glossy like a plasma so it is far more versatile in lighting conditions.

Plasmas IMO aren't worth the worry and constant babying. I have had several people on these and other forums tell me that they have never, ever had a problem...but then proceed to tell me that they never watch anything letterboxed and/or take breaks from certain formats on their display. I never have to concern myself with such precautions with my LED, and I didn't have to break it in either.

And for the record, I went through a series of television purchased at Costco and each one of them had a defect. I don't know if it is the way they transport them, or the fact that the models themselves differ slightly from the ones sold at stores like Visions, Bestbuy, Futureshop, etc. You can always notice that the same TV at Costco has a slightly different product code, and must be made exclusively for that store on the production line. Whatever it is, I will never trust their quality again.

This is all just my opinion based on some of the experiences I have had in the last year trying to buy a television. Good luck, and I hope you find something you can enjoy and appreciate!

If you buy cheap TVs you get cheap TV problems. Costo is NOT a place anyone should ever buy a V from either. It explains so much about why your TV sucks.

I've owned a Panasonic plasma for 2 years. Never had 1 single burn-in or image retention problem. Didn't waste my time playing slides from some suggestions by people who don't really know what they are talking about. I won nearly 1000 blu-rays in all sorts of aspect ratios. I play PS3 games. I watch TSN and The Score with their constant overlays. I do pretty much everything "bad" to my TV accept leaving it on with a screen paused for days on end like a moron.

People buy cheap panels and then complain when they fail to work like a high quality panel. If you buy from the bottom of the barrell you are getting what you pay for. If you but a Hyundia Accent you can't cry when it drives like a in can and not a Mercedes.

Plasmas are the best panls on the market, when you don't cheap out or buy from a cheaper manufacture. Their only draw backs are size/ weight and power consumption compared to a LED.

[Ryan Coke]

Still say it is not a plasma problem---Never had any issues with my Panasonic Plasmas. Although this thread ensures that I'll never buy an LG.

Nothing wrong with Costco either, one of my Panasonics was from there. Still no issues.

[Hack&Lube]

I swear by plasma. It is cheaper than LED/LED TV and most are much better looking with more vibrant colors and deeper blacks than any LED.

I've never had IR or burn in issues with my LG 60". It's a 60PK550 and the main thing viewed on it is actually a HTPC as a media server and I've left Windows on and the task bar, etc. on for hours or more by accident and they never retained.

I would never make a decision based on brand alone. Every brand has bad models/bad panels and good models/good panels.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Happens to all models I am sure. Well, two from my experience.



Completely and utterly false. Two separate plasmas that I have owned within the past 11 months have gotten permanent burn in. Even with 200 hours of proper break in with slides, recommended by the folks at avsforums.

The question I always ask people is why they would ever want a plasma in the first place? I am by no means a videophile, and I can't tell the difference between LED, LCD, and plasma picture quality. That applies to sports as well (well, hockey anyway). I now own a 47" LG LED and it is beautiful. Not to mention the screen isn't glossy like a plasma so it is far more versatile in lighting conditions.

Plasmas IMO aren't worth the worry and constant babying. I have had several people on these and other forums tell me that they have never, ever had a problem...but then proceed to tell me that they never watch anything letterboxed and/or take breaks from certain formats on their display. I never have to concern myself with such precautions with my LED, and I didn't have to break it in either.

And for the record, I went through a series of television purchased at Costco and each one of them had a defect. I don't know if it is the way they transport them, or the fact that the models themselves differ slightly from the ones sold at stores like Visions, Bestbuy, Futureshop, etc. You can always notice that the same TV at Costco has a slightly different product code, and must be made exclusively for that store on the production line. Whatever it is, I will never trust their quality again.

This is all just my opinion based on some of the experiences I have had in the last year trying to buy a television. Good luck, and I hope you find something you can enjoy and appreciate!

I'd be curious on what you're watching cause true, permanent burn-in is nearly impossible to accomplish with any sort of mainstream, name brand plasma TV nowadays. What is the burn-in of? I've had 2 over the past 5 years, and play xbox consistently with HUD on all the time, watched 4:3, 16:9, and various other formats for hours, and never had a burn-in at all. Either you're watching CNN with a news ticker for 24/7, or something along those lines, cause I don't think I could get burn-in if I tried.

[Achmed]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

Still say it is not a plasma problem---Never had any issues with my Panasonic Plasmas. Although this thread ensures that I'll never buy an LG.

Nothing wrong with Costco either, one of my Panasonics was from there. Still no issues.

Costco can get the higher quality models from the Canadian distributors if they pay for them. A lot (ie almost all models) they sell are cheaper versions that you can not find identical at any other retailer because of where they bought them from. Hence the "cheaper" price.

I don't think Pany makes crappy sub-entry level panels anymore. Or at least not available in Canada. Tons of LG and no-name brands definately do though.

[4X4]

I have an LG plasma. Bought it from evil Walmart last boxing day, and within a day or two, I paused a show for what was supposed to be a quick second, but it ended up drawing me out of the house and away from the TV for about two hours.
Got home, pressed play, and I saw OASIS in the background of darker scenes while I finished watching that show.
When I turned on the TV the next day, it was fine.

I'm not an electronics guy, so I don't really care if people think LG is garbage. I paid $675* for a 50" and the thing works perfectly fine. Some of my friends are into the expensive TVs, but I don't see the difference. My buddy has a 50" Samsung which he paid $1200* for, and they look the same except for the little brand name on the bottom center. Hockey, movies, Oasis nature shows... They all look the same on both TVs, but I guess if my junker breaks down sooner than his, I'll have $525 more in my pocket to spend on another $675 TV.

*Both prices are after taxes and that BS $40 charge they charge

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Achmed

curious what excuses you have made up to tell your friends why your cool 3D TV looks like crap compared to a true HD 3D TV.

You know what, this forum is here to exchange knowledge and be of help to other CP posters. It's not a place to practice your insults. Take it over to the Fire on Ice if you need to act like juvenile.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by jar_e

I'd be curious on what you're watching cause true, permanent burn-in is nearly impossible to accomplish with any sort of mainstream, name brand plasma TV nowadays. What is the burn-in of? I've had 2 over the past 5 years, and play xbox consistently with HUD on all the time, watched 4:3, 16:9, and various other formats for hours, and never had a burn-in at all. Either you're watching CNN with a news ticker for 24/7, or something along those lines, cause I don't think I could get burn-in if I tried.

After breaking in both an LG and then a Samsung, I played NHL 11 and spent a lot of time in the menus. When I switched over to Red Dead Redemption, there were words burned into the sky from the NHL menus. I spent two days using slides, movie channels, and the white wash feature on the TV's to fix what I hoped was just an IR problem. They didn't dissipate at all, and I returned them both (at different times). Since then, I have become an LED/LCD consumer exclusively.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad that you enjoy your plasma set and have never had any problems. I just don't fully buy the statement that plasma burn in is a thing of the past as I have experienced otherwise.

Also good to hear that people have been satisfied with their purchases from Costco, but again my experiences have proven otherwise.

[Ashartus]

I had similar problems with my Samsung when I first bought it. There was a menu option to run gray bars across the screen for a while which "erases" retained images - I don't know if LG has something similar. Also they often come out of the box with the brightness and contrast jacked way up, which makes the problem worst. Once I got out of the break-in period and calibrated the TV properly it's been fine. The only time I get any retention is if I'm watching non-HD, after which I get very faint retention of the black bars surrounding the picture, but they're generally not visible when watching something and go away quickly.