“Mr. Earle does, however, admit that he used comments which he now regrets,” says the tribunal. “Those admitted comments may go to establish discrimination.”
I just don't get the use of 'discrimination' in this situation. Discrimination to me means that they were refused a good or service based on the fact they are lesbians. From the United Nations (as per Wikipedia) - The United Nations explains: "Discriminatory behaviors take many forms, but they all involve some form of exclusion or rejection."
Exclusion or rejection. How can you SAY something that can be classified as discrimination? Were they kicked out because they were lesbians? It doesn't mention that in the article. A 'NO LESBIANS' rule at the club would be discriminatory. Making fun of heckling lesbians is not discriminatory. I don't know, doesn't make sense to me.
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I love how comedians handle hecklers, this might be my favourite:
This is it. You heckel a comedian, then you need to expect that something is going to come back at you.
He repeated what he said on a Vancouver radio station this morning and it was crude, but funny. If this case goes ahead and succeeds, then say good bye to audience interaction at Canadian shows. You can expect that the next time a big name comedian comes through, someone heckels them just for the opportunity to sue them.
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More recent article. Tribunal hearing set to get underway today.
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Two years ago Earle tried to have the complaint dismissed, saying the tribunal lacked jurisdiction, but the tribunal refused.
Last year, a B.C. Supreme Court judge ordered the tribunal to reconsider Earle's arguments. The tribunal ruled it will carry out the hearing, then decide if it has jurisdiction to make a ruling.
Wow. Let's spend a bunch of time and money. Then at the end of it all, we can decide whether we have the jurisdiction to do anything.
I'd just like to see a judge in a lawsuit, or one of the people in the HRC pause, look at the complainent and simpley state "Your kidding right? If I could sentence you to hang by the neck until dead, I would"
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That's beyond ridiculous. I've only seen a comedian live I think 3 times, and in every case there was minor to intermediate heckling going on. I seriously can't even begin to understand what type of ######bag mentality you need to possess to feel the urge to yell out and give someone a hard time on stage. F'ing trailor trash. Is that usually the case at live comedian shows? Or have I just been living in Edmonton too long?
Making fun of heckling lesbians is not discriminatory. I don't know, doesn't make sense to me.
In fact, not making fun of heckling lesbians IS discriminatory, because you'd make fun of anyone else.
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Great, so now you can take legal action against comedians for saying something potentially offensive?
Weak.
Free speech requires the right to be offensive. The perceived right to not be offended cannot co-exist with with free speech. I do, however, draw the line at hate speech that incites violence.
Wow. Let's spend a bunch of time and money. Then at the end of it all, we can decide whether we have the jurisdiction to do anything.
I would take what The Province reported about those decisions with a grain of salt.
The application by Earle in 2008 to toss the case had much more to do with just jurisdiction. It was basically a summary judgment application. The jurisdiction question was answered quickly and easily.
The BC Supreme Court's decision on the appeal or judicial review of that decision was oral only. There is no written record freely available online for what they determined.
To me this sounds like a case of "I'm a woman who is used to having no consequences for my actions so I can do whatever I want without reprisal." He called her out and blasted her publicly for being a See You Next Tuesday so she is simply doing whatever she can for payback.
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That's beyond ridiculous. I've only seen a comedian live I think 3 times, and in every case there was minor to intermediate heckling going on. I seriously can't even begin to understand what type of ######bag mentality you need to possess to feel the urge to yell out and give someone a hard time on stage. F'ing trailor trash. Is that usually the case at live comedian shows? Or have I just been living in Edmonton too long?
I guess it depends. I know some comedians invite heckling to a certain extent; they are professionals who have heard every amature comment and have a snappy comeback for them all.
An old high school buddy is a comedian, and when he was starting out he would often emcee the local comedy club. One night he was just bombing; just awkward quiet coming back from the crowd. I started to heckle him; but with things I knew he had comebacks for. He burned me good a few times, and won the audience over. My friend I was with thought I was an idiot; untill our waitress came over with 2 beers each and told me they were compliments of the house.
If you heckle- expect to get burned. The "rules of the locker room" apply there- nothing is off limits.
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Step 1. heckel comedian. Step 2. Get heckled back
