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Old 04-01-2011, 11:06 AM   #1
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Default Pastor in US burns Koran, Afghans kill 8 UN workers in protest

So there was some controversy a while back about a US pastor who was about to burn the Koran. Well, turns out that same Pastor did burn the Koran (very quietly), and it has resulted in protests and allegedly, in the loss of life for 8 UN workers.
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Over a thousand protesters had flooded into the streets of the normally peaceful city after Friday prayers to denounce the burning of Islam's holy book, the Koran, by a U.S. pastor, and after two or three hours violence broke out.



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Old 04-01-2011, 11:08 AM   #2
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Allegedly - yah, Afghans need a reason to kill UN workers.
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Old 04-01-2011, 11:09 AM   #3
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I was going to post a thread about this. Sad when moron A in Florida, does something for no other reason except to incite morons B who have no education, who turn around and kill a bunch of innocent people.
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I would probably say the Morons B are rather more moronic than Moron A.
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True, but we'll see how good your reasoning is when you have absolutely no education.
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True, but we'll see how good your reasoning is when you have absolutely no education.
I don't see a correlation between murder and x amount of education.
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Without knowing anything about each sides educational background I would assume that moron A is as much of a moron as moron B.
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Old 04-01-2011, 11:18 AM   #8
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I don't see a correlation between murder and x amount of education.
I was about to say this. If you go back to a lot of the participants in 9/11 they were extremely well educated.

Also for every Jeffrey Dahlmer there was a Ted Bundy or a Russell Williams.

Reasoning is not something thats helped or hindered due to a lack of or exposure to education.
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This is an interesting line in the story:

Over a thousand protesters had flooded into the streets of the normally peaceful city after Friday prayers to denounce the burning of Islam's holy book, the Koran, by a U.S. pastor, and after two or three hours violence broke out.

Someone has to make the religious leaders who insighted this violence accountable. I know the easy scape goat is the US pastor but, that would be wrong. Burning a holy book is offensive but, not justification for a riot or murders. Someone at their place of worship called them to act violently. That goes beyond freedom of religion or freedom of speech. It is criminal behaviour.


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Education doesnt cure psychopaths, but you can't say that a lack of education isnt a breeding ground for violence.
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This is an interesting line in the story:

Over a thousand protesters had flooded into the streets of the normally peaceful city after Friday prayers to denounce the burning of Islam's holy book, the Koran, by a U.S. pastor, and after two or three hours violence broke out.

Someone has to make the religious leaders who insighted this violence accountable. I know the easy scape goat is the US pastor but, that would be wrong. Burning a holy book is offensive but, not justification for a riot or murders. Someone at their place of worship called them to act violently. That goes beyond freedom of religion or freedom of speech. It is criminal behaviour.


Pretty sure that religion itself is what causes the violence.
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Pretty sure that religion itself is what causes the violence.
Bingo. Its why they're all morons.
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Pretty sure that religion itself is what causes the violence.
What is religion? A collection of ideas?

If the Muslim religion calls for such violence then yes you can blame that religion. If certain religious leaders within the Muslim religion are communicating ideas of violence than it is those leaders fault and they who should be stopped.

Political ideas and racial/cultural ideas have the same potentual for violence. We don't outlaw or limit ideas unless they are a call to violence.
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Pretty sure that religion itself is what causes the violence.
Any set of ideals can be used to incur violence. If people didn't have religion they'd find another excuse.

Atheists have committed many many acts of violence throughout history.
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Any set of ideals can be used to incur violence. If people didn't have religion they'd find another excuse.

Atheists have committed many many acts of violence throughout history.
But not in the name of atheism, or motivated, encouraged and absolved of responsibility by atheism.
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Atheists have committed many many acts of violence throughout history.
But never in the name of some fantasy and using atheism as an excuse. Killing for power, greed, food, territory, etc. I can understand. Killing for the Flying Spaghetti Monster I can't.
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But not in the name of atheism, or motivated, encouraged and absolved of responsibility by atheism.
Ummm yes....For example, Communists murdered and enslaved millions of people because they held religious beliefs and refused to believe in their own version of atheism.

Also, atheists by definition do not believe in the after life. Thus, they rely on a view of morality to keep people in line. Many people throughout history have used an atheistic and nihilistic view to justify their own crimes.
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But never in the name of some fantasy and using atheism as an excuse. Killing for power, greed, food, territory, etc. I can understand. Killing for the Flying Spaghetti Monster I can't.

It's always about control of resources. If the justification is religion or race or who knows what it always boils down to troops of monkeys fighting other monkeys for resources. That's the way humans are programmed.
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Hitler and Stalin killed millions in the name of religion and kick-started the deadliest war in history, and . . . oh, wait.
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Ummm yes....For example, Communists murdered and enslaved millions of people because they held religious beliefs and refused to believe in their own version of atheism.

Also, atheists by definition do not believe in the after life. Thus, they rely on a view of morality to keep people in line. Many people throughout history have used an atheistic and nihilistic view to justify their own crimes.
Oh yes, good point. I had forgotten about that.

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