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PIMking · 03-07-2011, 08:19 PM

I've got a discussion group in my speech class and our question for discussion is Euthanasia in humans(or right to die). I'm trying to get just raw data; so in the poll I want to know whether you're:

In Favor
Against
undecided

Please anything will help.

Ian

Thanks for adding the poll!

Jayems · 03-07-2011, 08:23 PM

What's the difference between Against and No, No matter what?

PIMking · 03-07-2011, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayems

What's the difference between Against and No, No matter what?

IDK, I'm on the fence; I can see where some people may be okay with in certain situations but then some are so stuck that no matter what it's not okay with them.

I guess it can be

Yes (pro)

no (against)

Undecided.

kirant · 03-07-2011, 08:38 PM

Yes for the theory, but against in creation of a program. Don't know which one you're looking for.

PIMking · 03-07-2011, 08:41 PM

Just a simple yes, no, or Undecided would be fine. I will however take your answer into accountability.

Gundo · 03-07-2011, 08:42 PM

Im in favor.

photon · 03-07-2011, 08:44 PM

Poll added, no idea myself.

burn_this_city · 03-07-2011, 08:46 PM

I'm in favour within reason, its a pretty grey area to have a yes or no answer.

Kjesse · 03-07-2011, 08:47 PM

Check out this thread from Reddit which made national headlines today. This guy is going to die tomorrow.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment..._left_to_live/

Some very poignant questions and answers. Here's his thoughts on being allowed to do it specifically:

A lot of people oppose death with dignity, labeling them "doctor assisted suicide". Do you have any words that might convince people who oppose it why you chose this option?
Thanks for taking some of your last moments to talk to us.

Yes, I do. Why do they oppose peoples right to not suffer? It takes numerous doctors to get here ensuring no one uses this option recklessly. My care is a huge burden to my loved ones, and it's not fair to position your suspicions over their realities. And yes, religion is at best a suspicion. None of us knows...

And on his illness:

How long have you been fighting cancer?

For 6 years. It's now spread to my brain and I just can't do more surgeries.

His words of wisdom:

what message or lesson would you like to give to us and the rest of the world

That nothing we have is worth hurting anyone else for. It's all fleeting people. Stop seeing race, color, sex, religion, etc.... Theyre all just people, and if you try to love them you won't lose anything.

Fozzie_DeBear · 03-07-2011, 08:48 PM

Within a compassionate framework ok..

puckluck · 03-07-2011, 08:48 PM

I'm undecided. Recently an old family friend passed away and before he passed I visited him at the hospital and he was pretty much already gone. He couldn't talk or do anything, and his skin was like decomposing on him. It was pretty sad to see, and they couldn't put him out of his misery, but instead they pretty much starved him to death.

His son was pretty torn up seeing his dad suffer for about 2 weeks until he finally passed away.

It's a hard subject to choose against or not against unless you've been in the situation. Before seeing him suffer I was against it, but I'm not so sure anymore.

valo403 · 03-07-2011, 08:52 PM

I voted yes, but this isn't really the kind of question that lends itself to a yes/no/undecided poll. That's more of a 'do you like peanut butter' type of poll. This is an incredibly complex question that would likely see massively different results depending on the variables included in it.

PIMking · 03-07-2011, 09:05 PM

Well it does come with a heavy heart on my end too. I didn't choose this subject, my professor did. My uncle isn't expected to make it through tonight suffering with brain cancer. So doing this research and knowing that my uncle is suffering 12 hours away from me isn't fun.

PIMking · 03-07-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

I voted yes, but this isn't really the kind of question that lends itself to a yes/no/undecided poll. That's more of a 'do you like peanut butter' type of poll. This is an incredibly complex question that would likely see massively different results depending on the variables included in it.

How? I'm asking fundamentally do you favor it or not. I know that there is perimeters that cant be addressed. I'm just looking for raw data at the moment.

Dion · 03-07-2011, 09:08 PM

I've had to deal with numerous deaths by Cancer with in my family unit. My father, uncle and a cousin. Then there's a close lady friend of mine last fall. After all this i'm still undecided about Euthanasia or right to die.

It's very difficult watching someone you care for suffer when you know there is no hope. It crushes you emotionaly and makes you wonder why there has to be pain and suffering.

Dion · 03-07-2011, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PIMking

Well it does come with a heavy heart on my end too. I didn't choose this subject, my professor did. My uncle isn't expected to make it through tonight suffering with brain cancer. So doing this research and knowing that my uncle is suffering 12 hours away from me isn't fun.

So sorry to hear about your uncle. My thoughts and prayers are with you

valo403 · 03-07-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PIMking

How? I'm asking fundamentally do you favor it or not. I know that there is perimeters that cant be addressed. I'm just looking for raw data at the moment.

Well there are numerous nuances to something like this.

Is the person making the decision consciously at the time (which assumes continued brain function) making it more like your typical suicide? Are they making it by stating in a living will that they'd like it to happen if x occurs? Are family members making the decision on whether x has occurred? Is it a medical milestone that can be stated to have occurred with any type of certainty? Are family members making the entire decision out of what they think are the best interests of the individual? Is there question as to whether the family members have the individuals best interests in mind?

I'm sure that collectively we could find dozens of questions and scenarios that would alter people's responses. My point isn't to criticize your poll, just to point out that there's a ton of stuff going on here that makes the results of a yes/no poll a pretty small part of the story.

PIMking · 03-07-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by valo403

Well there are numerous nuances to something like this.

Is the person making the decision consciously at the time (which assumes continued brain function) making it more like your typical suicide? Are they making it by stating in a living will that they'd like it to happen if x occurs? Are family members making the decision on whether x has occurred? Is it a medical milestone that can be stated to have occurred with any type of certainty? Are family members making the entire decision out of what they think are the best interests of the individual? Is there question as to whether the family members have the individuals best interests in mind?

I'm sure that collectively we could find dozens of questions and scenarios that would alter people's responses. My point isn't to criticize your poll, just to point out that there's a ton of stuff going on here that makes the results of a yes/no poll a pretty small part of the story.

yeah, even after reading that link and numerous pages I'm still on the fence.

I hope that everyone will just vote, I'm just looking for data that I can use as a reference point.

MarchHare · 03-07-2011, 09:31 PM

Anyone who has ever had to put down a beloved family pet does so knowing it's the humane thing to do. Why does the law forbid us from being just as humane to our fellow humans as we are to our cats and dogs?

flylock shox · 03-07-2011, 09:36 PM

Your thread title makes it seem like you're really struggling in this class.

I voted Yea.