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Jackpot_Smooth · 01-12-2011, 07:23 AM

How a simple tie fighter pilot could have changed the whole star wars storyline:

http://www.cracked.com/article_18719...star-wars.html

Kavvy · 01-12-2011, 07:38 AM

Mind Blown

WilsonFourTwo · 01-12-2011, 07:53 AM

Nice find.

Cracked continues to amaze.

Northendzone · 01-12-2011, 08:27 AM

i had never really thought of this - but i guess sometimes you have to be lucky to be good.

mykalberta · 01-12-2011, 09:11 AM

The trench wasnt that wide - he was at that time occupying only 1/3 of the trench.

He got spooked by his genetic twin being killed. His grief overwhelmed him and he saw the white light before him and he panicked, it happens. He had live in a metal sphere for probably the better part of 2 years with no women in sight, the man as we can all imaging was a little on edge.

icarus · 01-12-2011, 09:21 AM

It is clear that the clone DNA rapidly destabilised over the course of a generation. In the Clone Wars you see small companies of clones managing to hold their own when encircled by hundreds of attack droids, and then about 30 years later you've got a whole regiment getting wiped out by Ewoks armed with logs and rope.

chemgear · 01-12-2011, 09:24 AM

Not sure I agree with this:

Han had the element of surprise and apparently his total pick of who he was going to shoot, because it was an instantly lethal shot.

Normal TIE's don't have shields. I believe Vader's Custom TIE (and Defenders) did have shields and the initial shots wouldn't have wiped them out.

Man, the X-Wing, TIE Fighter and X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter games were awesome sauce!

Hemi-Cuda · 01-12-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by chemgear

Not sure I agree with this:

Han had the element of surprise and apparently his total pick of who he was going to shoot, because it was an instantly lethal shot.

Normal TIE's don't have shields. I believe Vader's Custom TIE (and Defenders) did have shields and the initial shots wouldn't have wiped them out.

Man, the X-Wing, TIE Fighter and X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter games were awesome sauce!

i was going to make this same post, but didn't want to delve into that kind of geek depth. so, thanks

STeeLy · 01-12-2011, 09:30 AM

They make a really good point. For the sake of this argument, lets NOT consider the continuation of Star Wars past this movie.

Han Solo had a wide open shot and the element of surprise. Darth Vader had no idea he was coming. Why da hell did he not shoot at the lead and shot a stupid wingman instead?

Everyone knows once you take the leader, the clones would be lost on what to do.

Edit: Apparently, I'm not geeky enough to know Darth Vader had a shield.

CaptainCrunch · 01-12-2011, 09:41 AM

Vader's Tie Advanced X1 had a shield generator and a limited hyperdrive unlike the regular tie's and Tie Interceptors which had no shields no armor no life support and no hyperdrive. In otherwords they were pretty much sopwith camels fighting F-15's.

By the time of Star Wars according to EU and even Lucas, there weren't a lot of clones left, most of the remaining ones were storm troopers and not pilots. Add to the fact that these pilots were not trained and were seen as fairly disposable based on the craft that they fly, its a miracle that they managed to launch without bouncing off of the walls.

Of course at least that pilot died fairly quickly, unlike the poor ####### in Empire Strikes back who bounced off of an asteroid.

mykalberta · 01-12-2011, 09:52 AM

I think we can all remember the Falcon not having the most sophisticated firing system in the world compared to an X wing or Tie Fighter. Remember the Falcon was a smugglers vessel who had guns to shoot imperial storm guards and fight off bandits looking to steal its loot.

I am surprised Han was able to shoot one of them down. I always assumed it was Chewy who actually shot and Han who decided to come back since the shot of Han saying WooHoo is of him in the Falcon's cockpit and not in one of the two firing turrets.

CaptainCrunch · 01-12-2011, 09:54 AM

I think that the Falcon had automated turret capability, they did show that in X-Wing Alliance. Plus it had forward firing launchers.

Jackpot_Smooth · 01-12-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by STeeLy

They make a really good point. For the sake of this argument, lets NOT consider the continuation of Star Wars past this movie.

Han Solo had a wide open shot and the element of surprise. Darth Vader had no idea he was coming. Why da hell did he not shoot at the lead and shot a stupid wingman instead?

Everyone knows once you take the leader, the clones would be lost on what to do.

Edit: Apparently, I'm not geeky enough to know Darth Vader had a shield.

i'm thinking that they weren't fully aware who was in that special tie fighter. i wonder if they'd even considered going back after him once they finished with that death star wondering why it was special looking or had shields.

han: Good job kid, you did it. think we should go after that wierd looking tie fighter that spun away?

luke: naw, it's probably nobody, he won't make it. besides, i have to p1ss like a taun taun, let's go back and creep on leah.

STeeLy · 01-12-2011, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackpot_Smooth

i'm thinking that they weren't fully aware who was in that special tie fighter. i wonder if they'd even considered going back after him once they finished with that death star wondering why it was special looking or had shields.

Sure they didn't know, but you'd think that people with a little bit of common sense knows that, when flying in formation, normally the guy that is in the most forward position is the lead.

Taking out the lead has never been a bad idea.

CaptainCrunch · 01-12-2011, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackpot_Smooth

i'm thinking that they weren't fully aware who was in that special tie fighter. i wonder if they'd even considered going back after him once they finished with that death star wondering why it was special looking or had shields.

han: Good job kid, you did it. think we should go after that wierd looking tie fighter that spun away?

luke: naw, it's probably nobody, he won't make it. besides, i have to p1ss like a taun taun, let's go back and creep on leah.

The Rebels had the worst intelligence that I've ever seen, I think that they should have hired out the three stooges to do their spying for them.

Don't know that Vader has a special Tie Fighter thats unique. Therefore they had the shot at killing the second ranked guy in the galaxy and messed it up.

In Return of the Jedi, they were aware that the Emperor was there, but they didn't figure on Vader being there

Vader's on that ship.

Don't get jittery kid there are lots of command ships.

icarus · 01-12-2011, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The Rebels had the worst intelligence that I've ever seen, I think that they should have hired out the three stooges to do their spying for them.

Especially considering the number of Bothans that were senselessly squandered (many) in digging up their intelligence.

united · 01-12-2011, 10:23 AM

This thread is full of AWESOME! Keep it up, guys.

The Cracked article lead me to Wedge Antilles' Wookiepedia page. Now this is what you call comprehensive!
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wedge_Antilles

CaptainCrunch · 01-12-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by icarus

Especially considering the number of Bothans that were senselessly squandered (many) in digging up their intelligence.

Considering that they didn't know that the first thing that they would complete on the Death Star was its defenses and offensive weapons.

That blast came from the Death Star, that things operation

Head of intelligence - "Thats impossible by all reports they were working on the swimming pools on the Siesta level"

Buff · 01-12-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by icarus

It is clear that the clone DNA rapidly destabilised over the course of a generation. In the Clone Wars you see small companies of clones managing to hold their own when encircled by hundreds of attack droids, and then about 30 years later you've got a whole regiment getting wiped out by Ewoks armed with logs and rope.

Well, they started to clone the clones. You clone the clone, and not the original source (Jango Fett) and you'll start to see "defects". So over time if they cloned the clone of a cloned clone then the end result is some doofus who just doesn't belong in any kind of army. I mean, they fly into their bosses, bump their heads on doors and all that stuff. They certainly were a shell of their former self (source).

CaptainCrunch · 01-12-2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Buff

Well, they started to clone the clones. You clone the clone, and not the original source (Jango Fett) and you'll start to see "defects". So over time if they cloned the clone of a cloned clone then the end result is some doofus who just doesn't belong in any kind of army. I mean, they fly into their bosses, bump their heads on doors and all that stuff. They certainly were a shell of their former self (source).

If you look at some of the more geek centric sites, they basically state that the Empire went away from mass cloning after the clone wars and started recruiting from member worlds. The only still pure clone unit was suppossed to be Vader's personal Storm Trooper division the 501st (Now populated by fat guys in home made armor who parade at conventions)

I've always throught that their bad shooting came more down to bad helmet design then anything else

Luke - "I can't see in this thing"

But the head bumping thing is kinda interesting because they made sure that Jango wanged his head off of the door of his ship in Attack of the Clones.