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AnarChrist · 07-28-2008, 07:47 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080728/...hurch_shooting

I didn't see anyone else post this. Doesn't anyone else find this shocking? Does this count as a terrorist act? Imagine the headline of a muslim had done this?

Displaced Flames fan · 07-28-2008, 08:01 PM

Being ANYTHING can get you killed.

Sheesh.

What is shocking about it? People have been killing other people for stupid reasons for thousands of years.

AnarChrist · 07-28-2008, 08:24 PM

So you would be cool with it if someone walking into your church and gunned you down simply because you were a conservative?

Displaced Flames fan · 07-28-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AnarChrist

So you would be cool with it if someone walking into your church and gunned you down simply because you were a conservative?

I don't have a church and I'm not a conservative.

The point is, killing anyone is not cool, no matter what the reason. You're shocked because someone was killed because they were judged to be a liberal, yet you're not shocked when someone is killed because they were judged to be an annoying jerk?

It's no different.

HOZ · 07-28-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AnarChrist

So you would be cool with it if someone walking into your church and gunned you down simply because you were a conservative?

Yes that is exactly what DFF was thinking. Perfect leap of logic there.

FlamesAddiction · 07-28-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AnarChrist

So you would be cool with it if someone walking into your church and gunned you down simply because you were a conservative?

I think he's just pointing out that no matter who you are or what you do, there is going to be a person or group that wants to eliminate you because of it.

It's an important story, so don't get me wrong, but I don't think this incident means that liberals need to fear for their lives. Heck, the guy sounds so extreme that he'd even hate the average moderate conservative.

photon · 07-28-2008, 08:32 PM

So the point is being a being can get you killed?

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I'll go stand over there.

Displaced Flames fan · 07-28-2008, 08:33 PM

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So the point is being a being can get you killed?

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I'll go stand over there.

Actually, that was pretty much my point!

AnarChrist · 07-28-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I don't have a church and I'm not a conservative.

The point is, killing anyone is not cool, no matter what the reason. You're shocked because someone was killed because they were judged to be a liberal, yet you're not shocked when someone is killed because they were judged to be an annoying jerk?

It's no different.

I'm sorry, I miss read your response and took it to be a snide reply. You are right, murder is wrong regardless of the reason. I thought it was outrageous that a Christian should walk into a church and gun down other Christians simply because they supported liberal causes. That was shocking.

Displaced Flames fan · 07-28-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AnarChrist

I'm sorry, I miss read your response and took it to be a snide reply. You are right, murder is wrong regardless of the reason. I thought it was outrageous that a Christian should walk into a church and gun down other Christians simply because they supported liberal causes. That was shocking.

Why is it more shocking than other similar situations? Seriously.

icarus · 07-28-2008, 08:45 PM

Anyone who guns down someone else (especially in a church!) can hardly be called a Christian.

AnarChrist · 07-28-2008, 08:57 PM

Wasn't the best headline, was it. I suck at starting threads. I'll go hang my head in shame now.

Cliche · 07-28-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AnarChrist

I'm sorry, I miss read your response and took it to be a snide reply. You are right, murder is wrong regardless of the reason. I thought it was outrageous that a Christian should walk into a church and gun down other Christians simply because they supported liberal causes. That was shocking.

THIS IS SHOCKING

Being killed over your beliefs isn't. Heck, most wars are started because of the differences in beliefs. It is human nature. It isn't surprising that a rogue individual would blame their beliefs over their cowardly actions than take responsibility for it.

Displaced Flames fan · 07-28-2008, 09:07 PM

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THIS IS SHOCKING

Being killed over your beliefs isn't. Heck, most wars are started because of the differences in beliefs. It is human nature. It isn't surprising that a rogue individual would blame their beliefs over their cowardly actions than take responsibility for it.

Even that's becoming less and less shocking all of the time. How many cases of this have we heard of in the last 5 years or so? Sick.

Iowa_Flames_Fan · 07-28-2008, 09:35 PM

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Even that's becoming less and less shocking all of the time.

No idea what "that" is, because I didn't click on Cliche's link. Ever since the advent of the "links to gross stuff on the internet" trend, I'm wary of links that promise to shock me. They probably will--and I'm fine without being shocked, thanks!

On topic, I think this would be a different situation if this guy were a member of an international organization of extremists who planned and co-ordinated this attack in order to forward their plan of eliminating all liberals.

It's despicable that this guy killed those people--and shocking that he did it in their house of worship--deplorable that he did it because of ideology. But let's not make it into a hate crime, or compare it to terrorism. He was a crazy person--a deeply unhappy, deeply crazy, deeply paranoid and probably very sick person--and the result was a tragedy. There's no need to make it into something more political than it is.

And I say that as someone who is pretty close to being a member of a UU church, actually. Just FWIW.

FlamesAddiction · 07-28-2008, 09:58 PM

A couple of random thoughts about this story...

Does anyone else find it weird that they set bail at $1 million for him. Sure that's a lot of money, but why should they give him a bail option at all? I mean, the guy has snapped to the point that he no longer cares if he lives and just wants to take people out with him, and some judge figured if he could pay $1 million, then he can do what he wants? Obviously there is a slim chance that anyone will pay it, but do they know for sure that he doesn't have a long lost friend or relative that is wealthy and has similar views?

The other thing I was thinking... This is obviously a huge trajedy, but I find it slightly gratifying that this loser failed in the last thing he wanted to do. He was hoping to have a higher kill rate and wanted to be "martyred", but then the people he hated so much foiled him. Good for them.

AnarChrist · 07-28-2008, 11:24 PM

The more that comes out about this event the stranger it becomes.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/ju...-suspects-car/

Inside the house, officers found "Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by radio talk show host Michael Savage, "Let Freedom Ring" by talk show host Sean Hannity, and "The O'Reilly Factor," by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly.

Adkisson told Still that "he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target those that had voted them in to office."

Isn't it strange that the ones that likely would have championed the type of programs to help this guy were the same liberals that he chose to single out as the root of his problems.