10-17-2024, 08:37 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: A small painted room
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Goalie tandem rankings
https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/sto...s-stars-bruins
Flames ranked 29th according to Greg. I think Vladar is healthier now and Wolf is looking great. Wonder how things will look at the end of the year!
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10-17-2024, 08:39 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Toronto, ON
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was ready to be super upset but not too far off (maybe could 1 or 2 spots higher) at this point...definitely feel this ranking will be much higher by year's end.
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10-17-2024, 08:46 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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What a weird ranking from top to bottom.
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10-17-2024, 09:08 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Calgary
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Leafs ranking is way to high
How are they ahead of the Sens who have a Vezina winner?
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10-17-2024, 09:11 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hendog
Leafs ranking is way to high
How are they ahead of the Sens who have a Vezina winner?
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My exact thoughts as well
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10-17-2024, 10:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hendog
Leafs ranking is way to high
How are they ahead of the Sens who have a Vezina winner?
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10-17-2024, 10:22 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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It's ESPN, who cares? They still don't know anything about hockey.
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10-17-2024, 10:38 AM
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The Colorado write up seems bang on.
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10-17-2024, 10:45 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Icon
What a weird ranking from top to bottom.
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Seems pretty fair for the most parts although there's a few teams that could move up or down a few slots. Flames ranking is fair as Vladar was terrible last season and Wolf still an unknown.
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10-17-2024, 11:00 AM
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No problem with where they have the Flames, because both guys are question marks going into the season.
Lots of bizarre rankings though, and one of the biggest for me, was NJD at 3. Top 10? Sure. Third?
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10-17-2024, 11:06 AM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Dirty Deep South Baby!
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Adds more motivation for both goalies!
Hoping both goalies and the team will make the “analysts” eat their pubes at the end of the season!
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10-17-2024, 11:12 AM
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More bulletin board material for Conroy, might as well #### on the goaltending too.
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10-17-2024, 11:15 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hendog
Leafs ranking is way to high
How are they ahead of the Sens who have a Vezina winner?
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Because... Leafs.
Everything there is overrated, as is with Edmonton.
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10-17-2024, 03:11 PM
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From the article:
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And keep in mind that these rankings are a combination of past performance and projections for the 2024-25 season.
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In other words, current performance isn't even factored in. And the projections could be anything, from complex and hairy statistical analysis all the way to two ESPN staffers pulling guesses out of each other's complex and hairy arses.
Yeah, not putting much stock in this.
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10-17-2024, 04:31 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Seems pretty fair for the most parts although there's a few teams that could move up or down a few slots. Flames ranking is fair as Vladar was terrible last season and Wolf still an unknown.
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For sure. I do find it amusing, though, that this article was published today. It would not seem so funny had it been published two weeks ago.
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10-17-2024, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DylanScores
Adds more motivation for both goalies!
Hoping both goalies and the team will make the “analysts” eat their pubes at the end of the season!
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Pretty much the team motto this season
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10-18-2024, 06:39 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
From the article:
In other words, current performance isn't even factored in. And the projections could be anything, from complex and hairy statistical analysis all the way to two ESPN staffers pulling guesses out of each other's complex and hairy arses.
Yeah, not putting much stock in this.
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Well if you read the article they clearl explain how the rankings are derived.
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These rankings were formulated through discussions with a variety of goalie experts -- coaches, analytics gurus, former players -- as well as through stats from sites like Evolving Hockey, Money Puck, Hockey Reference and Stathletes.
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So no, not two ESPN staffers pulling guesses out of their rear ends.
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10-18-2024, 07:23 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I don't have an issue with the Flames' ranking. As the writeup says, Vladar/Wolf have a high ceiling but given the lack of track record it's very hard to tell how they'll perform.
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10-18-2024, 09:47 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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I'm more than happy with us being the underdogs/underwolves in any category at this point...
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10-18-2024, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Well if you read the article they clearl explain how the rankings are derived.
So no, not two ESPN staffers pulling guesses out of their rear ends.
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I think it is more likely ESPN staffers pulling guesses out of their rear ends
Clearly? They say they consulted with analysts and looked at data sources, then quote Kevin Woodley’s hit on Fan960, also have some generic quotes from unnamed analysts
Markstrom has been pretty average, I’m sure that last year they wouldn’t have had the Flames anywhere near the top 5. But it was a big splash that fit the narrative that goaltending killed NJ last year and it’s fixed now
Many a fan sitting in their basement could have looked up the goalies on each NHL roster and put out a similar quality article
Now if Steve Valiquette wants to put out a goalie tandem ranking, I’m listening
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