10,000 person caravan heading for the U.S. from central america
Wondering on everybody's thoughts on the 10,000 person migrant caravan heading for the U.S. from Honduras/Guatemala.
Do you think this will be successful?
Caravans head to the U.S. all the time with the assistance of humanitarian groups. Often these groups are targeted by gangs. Having a group this large is a way for poorer migrants who can't afford the $10,000 fee to safely seek asylum without paying the fee. Many in the group are children and the elderly.
Many are escaping poverty in their home countries and extreme crime rates. Honduras has nearly the highest homicide rate in the world.
What's your opinion? Does this have something to do with the mid term elections coming up? How many criminals/drug dealers might be in the group? How many might end up heading for Canada? How many migrants will succeed in making a life for themselves in the U.S.
On a side note, I'm not sure why so many are heading for the U.S. when it's suppose to be the worst country in the world. Why never Brazil, Argentina or Chile?
Quite a few migrants head to Costa Rica, and Panama.
The Darien Gap between Panama and Colombia pretty is a pretty big deterrent for migrants wanting to head to South America.
The USA has problems but its still one of the top countries to live in.
Having been through central America I can attest that living conditions are poor in some of these countries.
Canada and the US should be doing more to help these countries IMO. These counties are not heavily populated and more direct investment has the potential to make a big impact.
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If by "successful" you mean that they will legally enter the US as asylum seekers or refuges, I doubt it considering the current political climate.
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Does this have something to do with the mid term elections coming up?
Are you suggesting that this is a calculated political maneuver by these asylum seekers? Seems like an odd if not cynical leading question.
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How many criminals/drug dealers might be in the group?
Depends. If you ask a MAGAt it would likely be a lot. If you ask a lefty probably very few. Doesn't matter what you or I or they think. Is there data for this sort of thing?
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How many might end up heading for Canada?
Likely not that many but I could be wrong.
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How many migrants will succeed in making a life for themselves in the U.S.
Probably about the same percentage (maybe a little higher) than native born Americans. Or probably about the same as the wave of Italian, Irish, Jewish, Chinese, Russian and others that have historically come to the US for similar reasons.
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On a side note, I'm not sure why so many are heading for the U.S. when it's suppose to be the worst country in the world. Why never Brazil, Argentina or Chile?
Probably because they recently learned that those places are #####hole countries or #####hole adjacent. Or maybe they heard that America is great again.
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Wondering on everybody's thoughts on the 10,000 person migrant caravan heading for the U.S. from Honduras/Guatemala.
Do you think this will be successful?
Caravans head to the U.S. all the time with the assistance of humanitarian groups. Often these groups are targeted by gangs. Having a group this large is a way for poorer migrants who can't afford the $10,000 fee to safely seek asylum without paying the fee. Many in the group are children and the elderly.
Many are escaping poverty in their home countries and extreme crime rates. Honduras has nearly the highest homicide rate in the world.
What's your opinion? Does this have something to do with the mid term elections coming up? How many criminals/drug dealers might be in the group? How many might end up heading for Canada? How many migrants will succeed in making a life for themselves in the U.S.
On a side note, I'm not sure why so many are heading for the U.S. when it's suppose to be the worst country in the world. Why never Brazil, Argentina or Chile?
Wow was that ever taken out of context. When I say “how many people will succeed in making a life for themselves in the U.S. I meant how many people will be allowed to stay or enter the country. Wrong choice of words a I guess.
On the other point, if your a drug dealer or criminal, this would be a good way to get into the U.S. while staying under the radar. Obviously there are no statistics because who is polling this group and which of them will confirm they have a criminal history. Seriously.
The fear mongering over this group is quite sad, they will reach the border and apply for asylum. If the USA didn't have such a huge demand for illegal drugs these nations wouldn't be such a hot mess.
You can see how Fox tries to play the fear card here but this excellent independent voter gives an excellent response
I am assuming that the number of people is somewhat accurate; if it is the sheer number of people will be a chore to handle thru regular channels.
if they got stopped at the border, and things got violent, then what? imagine how this plays out on the enws with border agents/military shooting womens and children.
also if you do nothing, then how big is the next caravan?
personally, I feel like Canada has don a lot for refugees, in terms of accepting them here and hooking them up with social assistance
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I am assuming that the number of people is somewhat accurate; if it is the sheer number of people will be a chore to handle thru regular channels.
if they got stopped at the border, and things got violent, then what? imagine how this plays out on the enws with border agents/military shooting womens and children.
also if you do nothing, then how big is the next caravan?
personally, I feel like Canada has don a lot for refugees, in terms of accepting them here and hooking them up with social assistance
That's sort of the point of the caravan I think. If you can show up with 8000 people, things could either get rough which is bad for the US for obvious reasons, or they let you in which is bad for the US for obvious reasons.
Reading a couple articles though, a lot of times people stop in Mexico and apply for asylum there so it could reduce the numbers.
Wondering on everybody's thoughts on the 10,000 person migrant caravan heading for the U.S. from Honduras/Guatemala.
Do you think this will be successful?..
There are millions of people all over the world wanting to emigrate to US, the mother of all evil. They submit their applications and wait for their turn. Countries have quotas of how many immigrants they can accommodate safely in any given year. Accepting a 10,000-people caravan of illegal migrants would essentially push back those waiting in line, as well as set a really bad precedent and undermine trust in the the due process. If it’s easier to get in illegally, why do it legally? I think Trump will hold firm and not let this caravan cross the border. At least, publicly.
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A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her home because of war, violence or persecution, often without warning. They are unable to return home unless and until conditions in their native lands are safe for them again.
An official entity such as a government or the United Nations Refugee Agency determines whether a person seeking international protection meets the definition of a refugee, based on well-founded fear.
Those who obtain refugee status are given protections under international laws and conventions and lifesaving support from aid agencies, including the International Rescue Committee. Refugees in the U.S. also have the opportunity to become lawful permanent residents and eventually citizens.
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Who is an asylum seeker?
An asylum seeker is someone who is also seeking international protection from dangers in his or her home country, but whose claim for refugee status hasn’t been determined legally. Asylum seekers must apply for protection in the country of destination—meaning they must arrive at or cross a border in order to apply.
Then, they must be able to prove to authorities there that they meet the criteria to be covered by refugee protections. Not every asylum seeker will be recognized as a refugee.
Tens of thousands of children and families from Central America have fled extreme danger—murder, kidnapping, violence against women and forced recruitment by gangs. Those arriving at the U.S. border are being depicted as “illegal immigrants,” but in reality, crossing an international border for asylum is not illegal and an asylum seeker’s case must be heard, according to U.S. and international law.
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Who is an immigrant?
An immigrant is someone who makes a conscious decision to leave his or her home and move to a foreign country with the intention of settling there. Immigrants often go through a lengthy vetting process to immigrate to a new country. Many become lawful permanent residents and eventually citizens.
Immigrants research their destinations, explore employment opportunities, and study the language of the country where they plan to live. Most importantly, they are free to return home whenever they choose.
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Who is a migrant?
A migrant is someone who is moving from place to place (within his or her country or across borders), usually for economic reasons such as seasonal work. Similar to immigrants, they were not forced to leave their native countries because of persecution or violence, but rather are seeking better opportunities.
Many of those crossing the U.S. border from Central American countries—El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras—are in fact asylum seekers, not migrants. They have a well-founded fear of persecution if they were to return home.
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What your missing here is these are people seeking asylum as refugees, that is separate from immigration.
Does simply coming from a country that has all the hallmarks of being third world, poverty, high crime etc make someone a refugee or an economic migrant?
Since this is a blurred line it most definitely is an immigration issue.
10,000 person caravan heading for the U.S. from central america
