Counterfeit NHL Jerseys

[Jets4Life]

I came across a Jets NHL counterfeit jersey on kijiji:


""PRICE REDUCED New with tags Evander Kane signed jersey comes with a COA. This is a beautiful addition to any hockey shrine ! Please message me 403-xxx-xxxx via text or call and I will get back to you asap ! Please do not email."


http://www.kijiji.ca/v-hockey/calgar...ationFlag=true

I'm not sure who in their right mind would pay $250.00 for a signed jersey of Evander Kane. People in Winnipeg could not give away Kane jerseys, let alone sell them at $250.00. Not sure about the actual signature, but you can definitely tell that it's a Chinese ripoff, just by looking closely at the white and blue stripes, especially at the waist. The colors don't even come close to matching either.

I'm curious if you should contact kijiji, or even the Police.

You can click a link to see some other "authentic signed" jerseys this person has, including a Flames jersey supposedly (not sure if jersey is counterfeit or not) signed by Jonas Hiller for $250.00:





"This Beautiful jersey is New Never worn Authentic size XL signed by the whole team. It also has a signature of Jonas Hiller which is now very rare you will not be able to get another one like this. Has a COA To all you Hockey fans this will make one hell of an addition to any hockey shrine ! Please contact me via text or call me as Im not in my E-mail much. Serious Inquiries. I am asking 250.00for this beautiful jersey OBO"

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-hockey/calgar...ationFlag=true

[TheScorpion]

That Flames jersey is most definitely counterfeit. It certainly isn't Authentic.

[Jets4Life]

I just noticed there was a year old Counterfeit NHL jersey thread so I posted the original post there. This person must have dozens of supposed authentic NHL signed jerseys, and other memorabilia. There must be merchandise selling for a total of over $3000.00

http://www.kijiji.ca/o-posters-other-ads/12535196

[getbak]

That Jets jersey is a horrible counterfeit, but the Flames one doesn't look counterfeit.

It's not "Authentic" in the sense that it's the same as the players wear, but it does looks like a real licensed "Premiere" jersey. I can't comment on the authenticity of the signatures, but it probably wouldn't be hard to get all of them.

I find it amusing that he considers a Hiller signature to be a rare selling point.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by getbak

That Jets jersey is a horrible counterfeit, but the Flames one doesn't look counterfeit.

It's not "Authentic" in the sense that it's the same as the players wear, but it does looks like a real licensed "Premiere" jersey. I can't comment on the authenticity of the signatures, but it probably wouldn't be hard to get all of them.

I find it amusing that he considers a Hiller signature to be a rare selling point.

Look at the logo on it, getbak:



Now look at the logo on this authentic jersey:

[getbak]

Yeah, like I said it's not a true on-ice Authentic, but it's the same as the jerseys they sell in every store, which are fully licensed "Premiere" replicas. It doesn't have the odd shine and tell-tale puffiness of a counterfeit.

[Jets4Life]

"Authentic" signed Monahan jersey. Price: $350.00







Authentic Monahan signature. Tough call.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by getbak

Yeah, like I said it's not a true on-ice Authentic, but it's the same as the jerseys they sell in every store, which are fully licensed "Premiere" replicas. It doesn't have the odd shine and tell-tale puffiness of a counterfeit.

I have a navy blue Jets jersey, and you can definitely tell it's a Chinese knockoff by looking at the stripes. Maybe the seller has wisened up to the fact that he may get caught selling Flames jerseys, and decided to sell other teams knockoffs?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by getbak

Yeah, like I said it's not a true on-ice Authentic, but it's the same as the jerseys they sell in every store, which are fully licensed "Premiere" replicas. It doesn't have the odd shine and tell-tale puffiness of a counterfeit.

However:

There's also the small but revealing and important issue of the wrong Reebok logo being present on the counterfeit's arm:



It's supposed to be this one:

Spoiler!

Factoring in a definite difference in the shade of red between the two jerseys (the signed jersey is definitely more pink), that's a counterfeit jersey for sure.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

There's also the small but revealing and important issue of the wrong Reebok logo being present on the counterfeit's arm

Well that detail entirely depends on the year.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

However:

There's also the small but revealing and important issue of the wrong Reebok logo being present on the counterfeit's arm:



It's supposed to be this one:

Spoiler!

Factoring in a definite difference in the shade of red between the two jerseys (the signed jersey is definitely more pink), that's a counterfeit jersey for sure.

The 08/14 (?) uniforms used the old style reebok logo so it could just be a older uniform that he got signed.

The tell tale is if the flags are stitched vs silk screen printed.

Also factoring in the difference of colors is impossible on computer monitors, if the seller used a crappy camera it'll come out crappier.

The Jets jersey is a fake for sure but its hard to tell with the Flames uniform from those photos.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

However:

There's also the small but revealing and important issue of the wrong Reebok logo being present on the counterfeit's arm:



It's supposed to be this one:

Spoiler!

Factoring in a definite difference in the shade of red between the two jerseys (the signed jersey is definitely more pink), that's a counterfeit jersey for sure.

Can't comment on the colourness of the red as the picture itself could factor into it.

But the "Reebok" insignia depending on what stock you purchased was available in both "Reebok" print and the Reebok symbol so that cannot be the sign to notify someone as to whether or not it is a counterfeit.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

Well that detail entirely depends on the year.

No it doesn't. They don't change the jerseys willy-nilly like that.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

No it doesn't. They don't change the jerseys willy-nilly like that.

Actually they did since I own about 4 jerseys with the old style Reebok logo bought from the Flames store.

Spoiler!

[TheScorpion]

Hmm. Something still seems off to me. I'm not entirely sure what. I guess from all the evidence that's been presented it is Authentic, but... it just looks fake. I can't figure it out.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Hmm. Something still seems off to me. I'm not entirely sure what. I guess from all the evidence that's been presented it is Authentic, but... it just looks fake. I can't figure it out.

For me it looks like a replica, the flaming C doesn't have that knock off look like most uniforms does. As well as the size tag, I haven't seen many knock offs have that on the uniform.

[Jets4Life]

Seller wants $250.00 for a Corey Perry "signed jersey:



Perry's signature style used on hundreds of photos using Google images:

[getbak]

There's three categories of jerseys:

Authentic - Identical to what the players wear on the ice. Manufactured at the old CCM factory in Quebec. Highest quality materials, reinforced stitching, extra materials on the elbows and a reinforced fight strap on the back. All logos are sewn onto the jersey. Shoulder patches are embroidered. Don't have a Reebok logo on the sleeve and don't have the "jock tag" size thing on the front of the jersey. Retail price of at least $300 without lettering.

Premiere - The vast majority of all jerseys sold to the public. Lower quality fabrics. Lower quality stitching (but good enough for regular wear and tear). No reinforced elbows. No fight strap. Logos are glued onto the jersey. Shoulder patches are screen printed. Have the Reebok logo on the sleeve and the "jock tag". Manufactured in Indonesia or somewhere else in Asia. Retail price about $130 without lettering.

Counterfeit - No quality control. Some can be hard to spot as fakes, others are horribly obvious. Colours typically don't match the real jerseys (for the Flames, the regular jerseys tend to be darker red and the retros tend to be orange, the Heritage Classic counterfeits were all bright red and yellow), often the stripes aren't even correct. The fabrics used for the logos and letters tend to have an odd sheen to them, and the stitching is overly heavy, which causes the fabric to bunch up and make the logos and numbers look puffy. Often use the wrong font on the names and numbers. Usually have numerous other glaring differences that make it obvious they're fake, but each one has different glaring differences.



I would be willing to bet money that the Flames jersey in the original post is a Premiere jersey. It's certainly not an Authentic as advertised, but it also doesn't look as bad as the typical counterfeit.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

For me it looks like a replica, the flaming C doesn't have that knock off look like most uniforms does. As well as the size tag, I haven't seen many knock offs have that on the uniform.

Exactly. When you look at the logo and numbers on this, you can see the shine and "puffiness" I was talking about.

That's actually one of the better counterfeits I've seen. At least the stripes are the correct proportion and the font is correct. It's still pretty obviously a fake.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

No it doesn't. They don't change the jerseys willy-nilly like that.

It was changed willy-nilly a few years ago. IIRC Fanattic even had a good sale on the old ones when they changed logos.

Both purchased from legitimate sources: