11-13-2015, 01:45 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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SAP screwing up nhl.com statistics
SAP was supposed to be powering nhl.com's foray into enhanced stats.
The evidence that they don't know what they are doing is mounting and the NHL is being conned.
http://yosttravis.tumblr.com/post/13...g-an-easy-mark
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19a. What do NHL employees think about the product? Here’s Andrew Thomas, league employee: “ ..What burns me the most isn’t at all "competition”: it’s extremely lazy work masquerading as professional innovation.”
19b. A second league employee: “Up there with the first Lindros trade and the 1988 game with linesmen in yellow practice jerseys, only worse because the league would have us believe it is now competent.”
19c. A third league employee: “Outrageously bad.”
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Read the link for more damning evidence.
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In summary: there is no reason to go to NHL.com for anything related to hockey statistics. Their numbers are inaccurate. If not inaccurate, they are misleading. If not inaccurate or misleading, they aren’t capturing what they believe they are capturing. If none of the above, the site is a total hassle to maneuver through and the filtering/visualization looks like a child slapped the cursor on MS Paint a hundred times.
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Last edited by sureLoss; 11-13-2015 at 01:50 PM.
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11-13-2015, 01:55 PM
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#2
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I work with SAP every day and it is a large, cumbersome son-of-a-gun.
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11-13-2015, 01:55 PM
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#3
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In the Sin Bin
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Hockey might only be a silly game but the NHL is a billion dollar revenue customer for SAP with a continent wide network of large 100 million dollar franchises. They might want to get their crap together.
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11-13-2015, 01:55 PM
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#4
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Franchise Player
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I found the new NHL.com stats page to be cumbersome.
I don't even bother with the enhanced stats page there.
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11-13-2015, 01:57 PM
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#5
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Franchise Player
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Sounds like the NHL needs to spend some big bucks on a Benefits Realization team to dig into what the implementation team did wrong.
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11-13-2015, 02:00 PM
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#6
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Franchise Player
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In my view there's really no reason to use anything besides War On Ice at this point, except comfort and familiarity with another option. For example, my first stop is always stats.hockeyanalysis.com, simply because it's what I've used for years.
If the NHL had any sense at all they'd simply hire the entire WOI crew and ask them to please manage the stats section of the website. It would probably cost less and it would certainly be outstanding in quality and usefulness.
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11-13-2015, 02:02 PM
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#7
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Franchise Player
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SAP can't even do sports stats. LOL
This is the stuff government and big business uses to manage taxation, health stuff, billing, etc.
SAP (and Oracle) are junk. Dynamics can do everything SAP and Oracle apps can do but at a fraction of the price, on commodity hardware and with skill sets more people have.
Once you get on that SAP treadmill, you will be feeding it forever. People would rather throw more money at the problem than admit a mistake.
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11-13-2015, 02:05 PM
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#8
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Maple Bay, B.C.
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Originally Posted by Azhouse
I work with SAP every day and it is a large, cumbersome son-of-a-gun.
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As do I (I'm on the ABAP development side of the house). One of my main tasks is trying to decipher and slay the cumbersome beast.
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11-13-2015, 02:08 PM
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#9
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Badgers Nose
SAP can't even do sports stats. LOL
This is the stuff government and big business uses to manage taxation, health stuff, billing, etc.
SAP (and Oracle) are junk. Dynamics can do everything SAP and Oracle apps can do but at a fraction of the price, on commodity hardware and with skill sets more people have.
Once you get on that SAP treadmill, you will be feeding it forever. People would rather throw more money at the problem than admit a mistake.
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MS dynamics?
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11-13-2015, 02:09 PM
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#10
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Franchise Player
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Any word if this carries over to the standings? The Flames could use a few extra points.
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11-13-2015, 02:10 PM
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#11
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Calgary
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SAP - where money goes to die.
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11-13-2015, 02:15 PM
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#12
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Victoria, BC
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Lol, just spent 2 hours sorting out SAP related issues at work... Take a break, browse to CP... SAP problems.
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11-13-2015, 02:17 PM
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#13
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Beautiful Vancouver Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Azhouse
I work with SAP every day and it is a large, cumbersome son-of-a-gun.
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As did I for 10 years, actually part of the development team.
SAP has always been long on promises yet short on delivering.
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11-13-2015, 02:27 PM
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#14
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Maple Bay, B.C.
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Should I warn my team leads who are looking to move to SAP HANA that it may not be all that it is cracked up to be?
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11-13-2015, 02:37 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Jah Chalgary
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Are the standings correct?
Maybe the Flames aren't that bad...
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11-13-2015, 02:38 PM
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#16
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Maple Bay, B.C.
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One has to think that Hasso Plattner (co-founder of SAP AG software and current owner of the San Jose Sharks) may have had significant influence in getting the NHL to sign on the dotted line.
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11-13-2015, 02:47 PM
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#17
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: A small painted room
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The implementation for mobile devices is unbelievably bad judging from the last time I tried it. They didn't even have 'pick a team' as a filter when looking at individual stats.. lol!
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11-13-2015, 02:57 PM
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#18
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dash_pinched
As do I (I'm on the ABAP development side of the house). One of my main tasks is trying to decipher and slay the cumbersome beast.
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One of my main tasks is to just use and understand the cumbersome beast...so hats of to you good sir.
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11-13-2015, 03:02 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Flame Country
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I have a job because of how crappy SAP is.
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11-13-2015, 03:04 PM
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#20
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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I've never been a fan of the NHL web site. It's so clunky and other sites to box scores so much better.
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