QOTD: What do do with Ryan Wilson

[Bingo]

Flames are getting down to numbers and Wilson has certainly been good enough to get a contract offer.

Does he accept a 2 way though?

With Nakladal, Brodie and Smid all hurt it's easy to toss one way contracts around but what about when everyone gets back?

Do the Flames not care, and are willing to eat a contract in the minors? Or are they confident they can move two of Smid, Wilson or Engellend in a trade to free space up?

What say you?

[EVERLAST]

BT won't give him anything but a 2 way as competition is deep this year.

I'm not personally that impressed with Wilson tho

[T@T]

AHL contract.

[Super-Rye]

I would sign him. He has had a pretty good camp. Depth is everything and with the way the NHL is these days you need atleast 10 defensemen who can play at the NHL level.

But I've always been a fan of Ryan Wilson's game so maybe I'm being biased.

[getbak]

Two-way deal and he fills the same role Corey Potter did last season... AHLer or NHL press box sitter.

[the2bears]

Oops... meant the 3rd choice. Darn blurry eyes in the morning :P

[the2bears]

Here's a question I've never thought about: What are the cap implications of 1-way vs. 2-way deals?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Here's a question I've never thought about: What are the cap implications of 1-way vs. 2-way deals?

A player on a one-way contract gets paid the same amount whether he's playing in the NHL or AHL. If he's in the AHL, the first $950,000 of his salary doesn't count against the cap, but anything over that does.

A player on a two-way deal has different salaries in the NHL and the AHL. His AHL salary would not have any cap hit.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Here's a question I've never thought about: What are the cap implications of 1-way vs. 2-way deals?

Basically ... the first $950,000 get taken out of the cap.

If they sign Wilson on a 1 way for $1 m and send him down , and he clears waivers, the Flames get a 50k cap hit.

For Raymond they get a 2.2 M cap hit with him in the AHL.


That is why they can sign Wilson to a similar contract they gave Diaz last year.... 700k ... NHL or AHL. Really good insurance to have a NHL d-man that Hartley is not scared to play more than 5-10 minutes if injuries force the situation. The Jets were forced to pay Jay Harrison 1.5 M when tehy ran out of healthy NHL d-men last season.

The one-way under 950-k is every bit as flexible as a 2-way...

His ahl salary, even under a 2-way deal would be considerably higher than the 70k Wotherspoon will get in the AHL.

[Finger Cookin]

Wilson signs as a depth guy so that the Flames have a veteran depth guy to lean on all season while the kids play in Stockton or Adirondack. He signs a one way deal for less than $950K.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I say you sign him, and when everyone is healthy and/or a couple of the kids prove they belong in the NHL, you flip him (or someone else) for a pick sometime during the season. Loads of teams experience injuries and often need a serviceable cheap defencemen.

[Vinny01]

Give the kids a chance. Unless Treliving has a deal in place to move Smid or Engellend then I don't think they should sign Wilson over giving the spot to Spoon or Kulak

[Five-hole]

You're not going to get a pick for him, IMO. Anyone can still sign him for free as far as I know.

He's been fine but not good enough to take away important development time for prospects either at the AHL or NHL levels. We have enough NHL ready depth that we don't need additional guys like this. That said, Hartley has proven that he'd prefer depth with NHL experience, so who knows. It wouldn't surprise me to see him signed into the Corey Potter #7 role and warm the bench for most of the season.

[The Fonz]

Sign him on the cheap. Try like hell to find a taker for Laddy Smid.

Injuries will happen throughout the course of the season, so Wotherspoon/Kulak/Nakladal will get opportunities regardless of a Wilson signing.

[Locke]

I think you sign him on a two-way, hes earned it but we need flexibility and at this juncture we shouldnt always be slotting in journeymen, we need to keep spots available for the younger Dmen.

[Gaskal]

If he's serviceable in the rest of preseason I'd give him the two-way, if he impresses I'd give him the one-way.

[Strange Brew]

I have not been able to watch much pre season action but the reaction here seems to be mixed.

It will be hard to flip him for a pick IMO. It sounds like a good idea but he is a fringe player that other teams likely feel they have covered in their system. The only real risk is with the number of contracts the Flames have and if they are approaching 50. I don't really follow thus number closely but seems you would like at least 3 available slots entering the year. You may want to add players at the deadline and sign some college UFA's.

So I would say if we are at 46 contracts or less, you sign him.

47 or more, I think you pass.

[Finger Cookin]

The Flames are at 46 contracts, unless AHL only contracts count towards the limit.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

The Flames are at 46 contracts, unless AHL only contracts count towards the limit.

They do not.


Right now, the Flames have 49 players under contract, but 4 of them (Andersson, Kylington, McDonald, and Schneider) will slide this year unless the player plays in a minimum of 10 NHL games (AHL games don't count). So, they effectively have 45 contracts on the books for this season.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Sign him.

If the kids can't take a spot from a walk-on player on a tryout, then they're not NHL ready.

And as it stands, I'd rank him probably 6th on the NHL depth chart, ahead of Engelland and ahead of what Smid has shown in the last 2 seasons.