Humans Need Not Apply

[Cabbage]

A really interesting look how technology is eliminating jobs. It would be interesting to read up more on this, how does economy grow or not even collapse if people can't find a job?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

Chris

[PsYcNeT]

Machines usurping human creativity?



"Adam Sandler is like, in love with some girl, but then it turns out that the girl is actually a ...golden retriever, or something."

[evman150]

I'm no economics expert, but presumably when a job is taken over by a machine, the cost of whatever product is being produced is lowered, ostensibly lowering the cost for the consumer.

I could be horribly wrong.

[Bill Bumface]

A long time ago, tractors and combines were going to take all the jobs. Then factory robots were.

Look how many people are employed in the tech sector now. Basically all these innovations do is increase the output per worker, which leads to a better standard of living for everyone.

[lorenavedon]

the concept of "getting a job" will become outdated. Eventually when machines perform every task imaginable, there will be no need for human labor. So a planet with tens of billions of people will need to figure out a new societal structure. It's really short sighted to assume that with an increase in technology there will always be need for the same amount of people. A machine that replaces 10 people and only 1 is required to maintain it. Having those 10 people learn how to repair it becomes redundant. The end goal of every society should be how to evolve and not have to work. How to get to the point where all your basic needs are provided and you will be able to spend %100 of your time perusing your own spiritual, intellectual and physical goals. We are getting to that point now where machines do so much and humans are no longer required for the "work". What should happen is those extra abundant resources get distributed to people to meet their needs. Yet the system is broken and rich people have much more than they require while poor people starve and die. Eventually machines will take over all labor, with a singularity person becoming a god, one person owning everything and everyone else around them dead. The current system makes no logical sense. You could have a system of machines that can provide for 20 billion people yet you end up with a handful of people owning all of that production which goes to waste because no human could possibly consume everything, while the rest of the 20 billion end up suffering or dying. Ultimately this system is completely flawed.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by lorenavedon

Ultimately this system is completely flawed.

Well then, let's all go back to subsistence farming and dying at a young age from diphtheria.

[Flash Walken]

[lorenavedon]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

brilliant. What I was trying to get across...

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by lorenavedon

the concept of "getting a job" will become outdated. Eventually when machines perform every task imaginable, there will be no need for human labor. So a planet with tens of billions of people will need to figure out a new societal structure. It's really short sighted to assume that with an increase in technology there will always be need for the same amount of people. A machine that replaces 10 people and only 1 is required to maintain it. Having those 10 people learn how to repair it becomes redundant. The end goal of every society should be how to evolve and not have to work. How to get to the point where all your basic needs are provided and you will be able to spend %100 of your time perusing your own spiritual, intellectual and physical goals. .

Every time technology improves people have chosen of their own free will to continue working for a higher standard of living. You could easily sustain a middle class lifestyle from 100 years ago subsiding on only gov't handouts and charity, but very few people make that choice. Your assumption that working isn't something we're hardwired to do is flawed, imo.

Originally Posted by lorenavedon

Eventually machines will take over all labor, with a singularity person becoming a god, one person owning everything and everyone else around them dead. The current system makes no logical sense.

You are stating this as if its fact and then drawing conclusions from it. This isn't an inevitable outcome and doesn't seem especially likely to me. You can't extrapolate things forever, and Ray Kurzweil does not have a monopoly on making bad predictions about the future.

[lorenavedon]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

Well then, let's all go back to subsistence farming and dying at a young age from diphtheria.

W T F are you talking about. The point isn't to move back poindexter. Its to move forward The point is for machines to do everything and humans have time to do anything they want instead of this outdated concept of "work"

[lorenavedon]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Every time technology improves people have chosen of their own free will to continue working for a higher standard of living. You could easily sustain a middle class lifestyle from 100 years ago subsiding on only gov't handouts and charity, but very few people make that choice. Your assumption that working isn't something we're hardwired to do is flawed, imo.



You are stating this as if its fact and then drawing conclusions from it. This isn't an inevitable outcome and doesn't seem especially likely to me. You can't extrapolate things forever, and Ray Kurzweil does not have a monopoly on making bad predictions about the future.

the point is that people die because they don't have money to buy food which is plentiful enough to feed everybody. The point is that there are homeless people when there is enough homes in the US to house every single person twice over. I agree that there will always be opportunity for innovation and a few will always benefit and get ahead. THATS FINE. But the rest need to have their basic needs taken care of especially if we have the ability to easily do it. When machines are able to perform every task imaginable, there will still be a need for innovation, HOWEVER, if there are 20 billion people on earth, there won't be 20 billion innovators. its an impossibility. A system needs to be in place where you can still get ahead but the social safety net will have to get increasingly larger and larger to accommodate more and more people that will eventually not have the ability to "get a job"

[photon]

We're already seeing the societal structure of the future. It will be about eyeballs. How many eyeballs do you have watching you? How many likes, how many followers, how popular you are. It'll just keep going until money is supplanted by your social media ranking, and access to robot time (for luxuries) is based on that. I've read enough sci-fi