CPS supports Seizing vehicles of speeders

[undercoverbrother]

This is interesting. Hwy #2, is a a crash speed race, and I wonder how many fatal collisions would be avoided.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Al...505/story.html

While the Calgary Police Service says it "absolutely" supports a new proposal to seize the vehicles of excessive speeders, an Alberta civil liberties group says it is concerned the idea is heavy-handed.

[bc-chris]

they've been seizing vehicles of excessive speeders in bc for a while now

i think it's a great policy... why does anyone need to go more than 40 km/hr over the speed limit?

[Bertuzzied]

No brainer. Should already be in place already.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

In July 2012, a warm month with good driving conditions, Calgary police said that, between officers pulling over speeders and photoradar based penalties, 89 tickets were issued for people driving at least 50 km/h over the posted limit. That's 0.21 per cent of the total 41,879 speeding tickets the department handed out that month.

When someone is pulled over for driving that quickly, drivers currently get six demerit points, a fine that starts at $350 and a mandatory appearance before a judge in court.

Read more: http://www.driving.ca/Driving+Auto+N...#ixzz277sCNmli

[Table 5]

I can't say I disagree with this because at that speed it's a no brainer.

At the same time, I do wish that CPS would have as much passion about stopping stupid driving as it does about speedy driving. It seems like that's all they tend to put the vast majority of their focus on. Yes, stupid driving doesn't grab headlines, and perhaps it's effects aren't quite as deadly when something goes wrong... but day to day it probably affects your average citizen more.

[To Be Quite Honest]

I think it is excessive and unnecessary. I would support a seizure of someones property for 30 days in an impound for and a fee for storage, but stealing the property for auction is going way to far.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

I think it is excessive and unnecessary. I would support a seizure of someones property for 30 days in an impound for and a fee for storage, but stealing the property for auction is going way to far.

Don't be an idiot and drive like a fool then.

[Nyah]

I'm all for it. Driving is a privilege not a right. Excessive speeding puts others in danger, as well as yourself. I wonder what this Alberta Civil liberties group thinks about that.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

but stealing the property for auction is going way to far.

where does it say that?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Nyah

I'm all for it. Driving is a privilege not a right. Excessive speeding puts others in danger, as well as yourself. I wonder what this Alberta Civil liberties group thinks about that.

Didn't read the article?

Brian Seaman, research associate with the Alberta Civil Liberties Re-search Centre, said speeding should be dealt with by increasing fines.
"It's unsettling to me, the seizure of private property in connection with the commission of what could be arguably a smallscale crime," Seaman said.
"The solution is to increase fines, not to seize a person's private property as penalty."

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

I think it is excessive and unnecessary. I would support a seizure of someones property for 30 days in an impound for and a fee for storage, but stealing the property for auction is going way to far.

You know what is excessive and unnecessary? Driving 50km/hr over the posted speed limit. If you need to go that fast then you should do it on a track instead of on public roadways where you endanger the lives of others.

The authorities aren't "stealing" the car of the owner. The owner is forfeiting the vehicle because it was involved in a dangerous act. Its not like the authorities would be going around wily nily "stealing" random vehicles.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I can't say I disagree with this because at that speed it's a no brainer.

At the same time, I do wish that CPS would have as much passion about stopping stupid driving as it does about speedy driving. It seems like that's all they tend to put the vast majority of their focus on. Yes, stupid driving doesn't grab headlines, and perhaps it's effects aren't quite as deadly when something goes wrong... but day to day it probably affects your average citizen more.

Ya, if they allow seizure of excessive speeders cars then it should also be automatic seizure for people who yield in a merge lane or vise-versa.

not that i'm against stiffer penalties for high speeders just that they need to punish all forms of stupid.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

where does it say that?

What do you think will happen if a car is seized? Get a bubble bath and play with new friends in a park? All abandoned and seized vehicles go through the police action. I've bought a car there before.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Swarly

Ya, if they allow seizure of excessive speeders cars then it should also be automatic seizure for people who yield in a merge lane or vise-versa.

not that i'm against stiffer penalties for high speeders just that they need to punish all forms of stupid.

I get the meaning of you post, but the catastrophic effects of excessive speeding are likely great than those of not yielding.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest

What do you think will happen if a car is seized? Get a bubble bath and play with new friends in a park? All abandoned and seized vehicles go through the police action. I've bought a car there before.

Easy, big boy, it was a question?

You honestly believe they will take the vehicle never to return it?

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by bc-chris

they've been seizing vehicles of excessive speeders in bc for a while now

i think it's a great policy... why does anyone need to go more than 40 km/hr over the speed limit?

Someone trying to make it to Calgary in 8hrs from the ferry?

Working in an industry that kinda deals with this stuff every day I can tell you it's not having the effect people thought it would. The average 'street racer' is a young male (usually Asian) who is driving a $60k+ vehicle bought by their parents so having it taken away is not a big deal to them. They didn't have to earn it so seeing it go away doesn't hurt them.

In BC for example excessive speed you get is a $368-483 fine and 3 points (which amount to nothing unless you have/get other tickets). I'd personally rather see them take away their driving privileges. Maybe something like 1st) 3 months; 2nd) 1 year; and 3rd) 5-10 years.

[TorqueDog]

Do not support.

Instead of treating a symptom (speeding), why not address the cause? Why are people going that fast? A person generally won't go faster than they feel is safe or reasonable, and that does not necessarily mean "at or under the speed limit". I don't drive beyond my abilities, the capabilities of my vehicle, or the conditions of the roadway on which I'm traveling (including traffic density and weather). You're always going to have the outliers who exceed that point and this will do nothing to stop them.

How about we review the speed limits and see if there's a possibility that they're too low for the highway? We're driving vehicles with 21st century technology, abiding by speed limits from the 60s. How about we produce more competent drivers by enhancing our driver licensing and training programs?

The risk of fines and punishments don't solve a thing.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Didn't read the article?

I was refering to the civil liberties of innocent people on the road. Y'know...sarcasm?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Easy, big boy, it was a question?

You honestly believe they will take the vehicle never to return it?

Umm yeah, that's the idea.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Do not support.

Instead of treating a symptom (speeding), why not address the cause? Why are people going that fast? A person generally won't go faster than they feel is safe or reasonable, and that does not necessarily mean "at or under the speed limit". I don't drive beyond my abilities, the capabilities of my vehicle, or the conditions of the roadway on which I'm traveling (including traffic density and weather). You're always going to have the outliers who exceed that point and this will do nothing to stop them.

How about we review the speed limits and see if there's a possibility that they're too low for the highway? We're driving vehicles with 21st century technology, abiding by speed limits from the 60s. How about we produce more competent drivers by enhancing our driver licensing and training programs?

The risk of fines and punishments don't solve a thing.

Those are interesting talking points, thank you.

I do a fair bit or rural driving, and I often see old "10 + yrs" vehicle on the road, flying. Perhaps we should think about controlling the age of vehicle son the highway.

I agree technology has increase, but a large number of the roads were built in "60's" line of sight is often an issue, and greater speeds reduce the re-action time.