Botched Circumcision: Who is at fault?

[Temporary_User]

I was reading an article (not going to link to it because it is way too graphic). Anyways the question was posed, who is at fault when circumcision goes wrong?

As a single male with no kids and none in the (near) future, I admit I am not an expert on this matter. From my understanding, the practice has no benefits today and is only done because many males want their sons "to look like them."

If there is no benefit and only a chance of something going wrong, why are doctors still doing this procedure? Should parents be able to sue the hospital if the hospital is found at fault? Should the child be able to sue his parents when he gets older? Or is it just an "oops" and the child has to learn to live and accept himself with?

As mentioned, I do not have kids. If I ever were to, he would not be circumcised even though I am.
Parents: Did you have your boys circumcised? why?
What would you do if the operation of botched?

[jroc]

Lets get J polds input on this matter. I hear he's an expert when it comes to circumcision.

[Bill Bumface]

I predict no one will come into this thread defending whatever choice their parents made.

[redforever]

No. My pediatrician at the time was Dr. Brock Dundas, sadly is dead now, but was one of the best pediatricians in Calgary.

We were not considering circumcision anyhow, but prior to us even asking, he said that it was an outdated practise, it was very rarely medically necessary, and unless it was medically necessary, he refused to do them.

[OldDutch]

How can you say there is no benefit at all? Infection due to improper cleaning is a very real problem in non circumcised boys.

I got my son circumcision done for this reason. My wife researched the best private doctor in Calgary, who has a stellar reputation. Everything went fine.

I think you are seeing a PETA style tactic, where someone took their kid to a back room hack, and they are trotting it out as a typical case.

[blankall]

The doctors should not be at fault unless they have done something negligent.

Circumcision has medical benefits (way less likely to get STDs and decreases instance of infection), but it is risky in itself.

My guess is doctors don't want anything to do with it as if someone gets warts in their 20s, they are not involved in any way. However, if someone gets and infection or a complication immediately after the procedure everyone is pointing a finger at them.

[CaptainCrunch]

Should we change your first line center label to short stack there Temporary User?

[Superfraggle]

I think it is more often done for religious reasons than because men want their sons' penises to look like theirs.

[puckluck]

Women love it.

[Gundo]

Originally Posted by puckluck

I love it.

..........really

[4X4]

Here we go... Another toques vs. helmets debate.

Unless you underwent the procedure as an adult, you can't really debate this properly.

That said, I feel bad for you toques. I've heard way too many women say toques are gross, and 0 say that helmets are gross. lol

[KTown]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Women love it.

They tell me opposite........ (That is the worst argument ever, women like it better.)

I hate hearing the reason for cleanliness as well. Are people that lazy to clean down there? Are people also that lazy to teach there kids about proper hygiene. You teach them to brush there teeth and floss, do you not? Just say its done because that is the way its been done in your family. There is nothing wrong with that.

I've never had one issue.

I left my kid uncut just like I am, and that is the only reason.

[moon]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

How can you say there is no benefit at all? Infection due to improper cleaning is a very real problem in non circumcised boys.

Originally Posted by blankall

Circumcision has medical benefits (way less likely to get STDs and decreases instance of infection), but it is risky in itself.

Has this been proven to be true at all in the Western world?

I have heard reports of increased STD's in the 3rd world but everything I have read from Doctors in NA and Europe they say it makes no difference at all.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by KTown

They tell me opposite........ (That is the worst argument ever, women like it better.)

I hate hearing the reason for cleanliness as well. Are people that lazy to clean down there? Are people also that lazy to teach there kids about proper hygiene. You teach them to brush there teeth and floss, do you not? Just say its done because that is the way its been done in your family. There is nothing wrong with that.

I've never had one issue.

I left my kid uncut just like I am, and that is the only reason.

Your analogy about brushing teeth is pretty good. Most will do it, but some won't, no matter how many times you tell them. The consequences to poor hygiene in this regard can be a lot more serious than a cavity though.

I have also never had one woman tell me they wish I had foreskin. Several have told me they they won't do certain things unless a guy is cut.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Here we go... Another toques vs. helmets debate.

I prefer the term anteaters vs helmets.

As a helmet, I wish my parents had let me make the choice if I should mutilate my knob or not. Of course, given the choice, I would have remained an anteater, because it sounds so funny to say.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by KTown

They tell me opposite........ (That is the worst argument ever, women like it better.)

I hate hearing the reason for cleanliness as well. Are people that lazy to clean down there? Are people also that lazy to teach there kids about proper hygiene. You teach them to brush there teeth and floss, do you not? Just say its done because that is the way its been done in your family. There is nothing wrong with that.

I've never had one issue.

I left my kid uncut just like I am, and that is the only reason.

They're lying to you.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by fotze

We need a slut to settle this debate.

For the record, just asked my GF sitting next to me, and she said she won't blow uncut guys. Says it sometimes it smells funny, and she had a bad experience with some dick cheese once.

And she is a bit slutty. So there you go.

so....
/thread, debate over.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by pylon

For the record, just asked my GF sitting next to me, and she said she won't blow uncut guys. Says it sometimes it smells funny, and she had a bad experience with some dick cheese once.

And she is a bit slutty. So there you go.

so....
/thread, debate over.

My girlfriend says the exact same thing...however, I hope that she is not slutty.

[Hanni]

Canadian Pediatric Society has a paper on this.

http://www.cps.ca/english/statements...tm#CONCLUSIONS

Basically circumcision can help prevent infection however the actual rate of infection in infants is very low regardless. There can be complications with the procedure, but this is a very low percentage as well.

The STD argument is ridiculous, circumcision may have a small impact on transmission but not enough to make it relevant, wear a condom ffs.

Either way the benefits/risks are in pretty low percentages so it's really a matter of choice.

[getbak]

So, what you guys are saying is that you've been told by women that they prefer men who are the same way you are? Shocking. I bet they also say that you're the perfect size too.


I believe that the percentage of people who require having their appendix removed at some point in their lives is significantly higher than the percentage of men who will ever require a medically necessary adult circumcision, but we don't run around removing the appendix of every child who's born. Also, an circumcised man who wishes to get cut as an adult can make that choice for himself, the opposite is not possible.


But, to get back to the original question, I think the blame has to fall squarely on the hospital/doctor who performed the procedure. There is enough medical evidence that the procedure is completely unnecessary in the modern developed world, that regardless of the parents' wishes, they should refuse. They wouldn't perform any other medically unnecessary procedure on a child just because the parents requested it, and if they did, they'd be to blame if something went wrong (they'd also be to blame if something went wrong on a procedure that was necessary).