Can you trust Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party?

[Rerun]

Now that Bob is out of the running for leadership of the Liberal Party, is Justin the go to guy for the Liberals? Will he be able to provide that knock-out punch to get them back to the top? Will he move the party further to the left or back to the center?




Apparently in the Liberal Party, rules are made to be broken and a promise really isn't a promise if its not in writing.

With its pending decision, as it has been widely reported, to "allow" interim leader Bob Rae to run for the leadership, the Liberal party national executive is opening exciting new fields for semantical research. Scholars say the decision raises several provocative questions, each rich with interpretive possibilities - questions such as:

What is a rule?

The notion that Rae might now be allowed to run for leader implies that he was hitherto prohibited from running, an impression fed by Rae's repeated pledges to "abide by the rules set by the national executive." Now, technically, there is no such rule, if by rule you mean "an authoritative regulation or direction concerning method or procedure" (Collins World Dictionary), such as a party bylaw.

What is a promise?

So it's not a rule, so much as a contract. Rae gave a solemn undertaking, in writing, not to run for leader, and in return the national executive approved his candidacy for interim leader.
Except ... it seems Rae never delivered on his side of the deal. I don't mean he's trying to welch now. I mean he never "executed in writing" the "solemn undertaking" the board had laid out as a condition of employment. Or if he did, he never showed it to anyone.

http://www.canada.com/Coyne+potentia...787/story.html

I can't say I'm at all surprised. Ethics and integrity were never the hallmark of the Liberal Party.

[Bertuzzied]

Still trust them more than a party who goes out of their way to keep Rob Anders employed.

[OffsideSpecialist]

It would be suicide for the Liberals to have Rae as leader in 2015. They have a chance to build their party up in that time, but they would lose all support they have in Ontario if they decide to go with him.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Still trust them more than a party who goes out of their way to keep Rob Anders employed.

Thats a problem with the local constituency that keeps nomimating /electing him... not a party problem.
Rob Anders may be an idiot, and I think we can all agree on that, but he's done nothing wrong that would allow the party to refuse or rescind his nomination/election. Rules are rules... or at least they are in the CP of Canada.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by OffsideSpecialist

It would be suicide for the Liberals to have Rae as leader in 2015. They have a chance to build their party up in that time, but they would lose all support they have in Ontario if they decide to go with him.

Agreed. If the Liberals recycle Rae, they're done.

Finding a new leader, with personality (although no current party leader has personality), fresh ideas and, ideally, no ties to the 'old guard', is their only hope to stay relevant.

Canada needs a centrist party.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Apparently in the Liberal Party, rules are made to be broken and a promise really isn't a promise if its not in writing.





http://www3.canada.com/Coyne+potenti...787/story.html

I can't say I'm at all surprised. Ethics and integrity were never the hallmark of the Liberal Party.

ROTFLMAO

Not too partisan are you? Should I list Harpers lies and half-truths for you?

How 'bout I start with Bill C30. Remember when it was sent back for retooling because Canadians objected to warrantless searches? Remember how they said they'd address privacy concerns? They LIED. It's back and worse than ever.

http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/can...rveill-2.html?

And don't get me started on the omnibus bill.

[dissentowner]

The title should be can you trust any political party? The obvious answer is no.

[Caged Great]

If the Liberals take Rae, then a lot of their support will go to the NDP.

[Bunk]

The state of all Federal parties is pretty bleak right now. Do the Harper Conservatives really govern in the manner they espoused so many years in opposition? No - in many ways they epitomize the very characteristics (secrecy, lack of transparency, centralized power in the PMO, 'free spending' etc) they derided.

As a city we got burned for $100 million because the Prime Minister himself went against the mandate of the Crown Corporation he set up - P3 Canada.

I also dislike how Rae is changing the rules. He was lauded for the sacrifice he was making in order to become interim leader, putting his own ambition aside for the good of the party. Well, that turned out to be a sham. But, perhaps the rule is a stupid one in the first place.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its not like the Liberal's have any good leadership candidates who are interested in the job. Most of the good ones are waiting for the complete destruction of the party the ejection of the red guard and then they'll step in to rebuild it.

Its likely going to come down to Rae versus Trudeau and the Liberal's lose more seats in the next interview.

I'm more concerned that people seem to be supporting the outright craziness of Thomas Mulcair and their (Destroy the Western Energy industry, give Omar Khadr several million dollars, lets give Europe money without conditions) NDP. I'm hoping the honey moon period there ends.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I can't say I'm at all surprised. Ethics and integrity were never the hallmark of Every Political Party.

fyp

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I also dislike how Rae is changing the rules. He was lauded for the sacrifice he was making in order to become interim leader, putting his own ambition aside for the good of the party. Well, that turned out to be a sham. But, perhaps the rule is a stupid one in the first place.

I believe the rule was put in place to prevent the interim leader from having a distinct advantage in any upcoming leadership convention... ala the previous leadership race between Bob Rae and Michael Ignatieff. After being named interim party leader, Ignatieff had a significant advantage over Rae when it came to to leadership convention.

Now of course, Rae seems to be following the same plan of attack, now that he's the interim leader.... he just has to change the rule though to do it.

Don't get me wrong though. I'm all for Rae being elected the leader of the Liberal Party. Frankly I can't honestly think of a better leader for the party.

I just think that if the Liberals do allow Rae to run, they will have one hell of a PR problem, considering all the promises made, and what people were led to believe by the Liberal Party, when Rae took over as interim leader.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

ROTFLMAO

Not too partisan are you? Should I list Harpers lies and half-truths for you?

How 'bout I start with Bill C30. Remember when it was sent back for retooling because Canadians objected to warrantless searches? Remember how they said they'd address privacy concerns? They LIED. It's back and worse than ever.

http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/can...rveill-2.html?

And don't get me started on the omnibus bill.

Seriously....boingboing is your scource for this?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I believe the rule was put in place to prevent the interim leader from having a distinct advantage in any upcoming leadership convention... ala the previous leadership race between Bob Rae and Michael Ignatieff. After being named interim party leader, Ignatieff had a significant advantage over Rae when it came to to leadership convention.

Now of course, Rae seems to be following the same plan of attack, now that he's the interim leader.... he just has to change the rule though to do it.

Don't get me wrong though. I'm all for Rae being elected the leader of the Liberal Party. Frankly I can't honestly think of a better leader for the party.

I just think that if the Liberals do allow Rae to run, they will have one hell of a PR problem, considering all the promises made, and what people were led to believe by the Liberal Party, when Rae took over as interim leader.

Plus the fact that if Rae became the leader they could write off Ontario and Quebec completely.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Rae almost certainly won't be the leader for 2015 because he cannot get many seats out of Ontario so to me its a moot point. But trust political leaders at your own peril.

[DementedReality]

My son could be the Liberal leader and I wouldn't vote for him. Just say no to the Liberals, they are con artists.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Plus the fact that if Rae became the leader they could write off Ontario and Quebec completely.

I don't know about Quebec. Rae's former NDP affiliation might stand him in good stead in Quebec.... and Ontario, did in fact, elect 21 NDP members of parliament... who knows... I was surprised at how many NDP members got elected in the last election... maybe I'll be surprised again in the next one.

[Puppet Guy]

I wouldn't trust the leader of ANY political party to weed my lawn, let alone govern.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

I wouldn't trust the leader of ANY political party to weed my lawn, let alone govern.

Sometimes you just have to chose the lesser of 2 evils... or I guess in Canadian politics it would be 3 evils.

I say... bring back the Monarchy!! Let the Queen govern!!!!

[photon]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

It's back and worse than ever.

http://boingboing.net/2012/06/08/can...rveill-2.html?

Hey, according to the PCs if you like privacy you're a pedophile or support pedophiles!