Army Recruiters Getting Desperate

[FlamesAddiction]

A highschool kid from Colorado went undercover to discover the lengths that the military will go through to recruit new soldiers.

They apparently told the kid to fake highschool documents, and gave him information on how to beat drug tests.

http://news4colorado.com/localnews/local_s..._118125046.html

McSwane contacted his local army recruiting office in Golden with a scenario he created. He told a recruiter that he was a dropout and didn't have a high school diploma.

"No problem," the recruiter explained. He suggested that McSwane create a fake diploma from a non-existent school.

McSwane recorded the recruiter saying that on the phone.

"It can be like Faith Hill Baptist School or something -- whatever you choose," the recruiter said.
...............
As instructed, McSwane went on the computer to a Web site and for $200 arranged to have a phony diploma created that certified him as a graduate of Faith Hill Baptist High School, the very name the recruiter suggested. It came complete with a fake grade transcript.

"What was your reaction to them encouraging you to get a phony diploma?" CBS4's Rick Sallinger asked.

"I was shocked," McSwane said. "I'm sitting there looking at a poster that says 'Integrity, Honor, Respect' and he is telling me to lie."

[CaptainCrunch]

Thats very disturbing. I have a feeling that its more a matter of a recruiter falling behind on his quota as opposed to some kind of Military Policy.

[RougeUnderoos]

I read something recently about a couple kids in the States who went to an ice cream shop and filled out some forms so they would get mailed a voucher for free ice cream on their birthday.

Seems that free ice cream just once a year wasn't enough for these lads though so they made up a few fake names (ie "Joe Blow") and birthdates, put down their real address and sent it in.

I don't know how much ice-cream they got out of it in the meantime but a few years went by and lo and behold the house gets a "you Mr. Joe Blow must now register with the draft board because you are 18 years old" letter from the military. It seems that the government had bought the customer list from the cold-treat-shack and were checking it to make sure no 18 y.o. was missing from the potential soldier list. The fake person, invented for a free cone, was being told to register.

The ice cream lovers' dad was a lawyer or some such thing and was looking to raise a stink about it. I can't find a link right now but I promise to keep looking.

[CaptainCrunch]

There's a draft board? news to me

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@May 10 2005, 11:36 PM
There's a draft board? news to me

Ha ha yeah it's news to me as well. I can't remember exactly how it went but don't the Americans have to notify someone when they become of age for military service. Apparently not a draft board but something like that?

Maybe I should check snopes for this story. Or maybe I made it up.

[jam26]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos+May 11 2005, 05:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RougeUnderoos @ May 11 2005, 05:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaptainCrunch@May 10 2005, 11:36 PM
There's a draft board? news to me

Ha ha yeah it's news to me as well. I can't remember exactly how it went but don't the Americans have to notify someone when they become of age for military service. Apparently not a draft board but something like that?

Maybe I should check snopes for this story. Or maybe I made it up. [/b][/quote]
Haha...I wouldn't mind seeing a link too, but good story nonetheless!

[Looger]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@May 11 2005, 05:20 AM
I read something recently about a couple kids in the States who went to an ice cream shop and filled out some forms so they would get mailed a voucher for free ice cream on their birthday.

Seems that free ice cream just once a year wasn't enough for these lads though so they made up a few fake names (ie "Joe Blow") and birthdates, put down their real address and sent it in.

I don't know how much ice-cream they got out of it in the meantime but a few years went by and lo and behold the house gets a "you Mr. Joe Blow must now register with the draft board because you are 18 years old" letter from the military. It seems that the government had bought the customer list from the cold-treat-shack and were checking it to make sure no 18 y.o. was missing from the potential soldier list. The fake person, invented for a free cone, was being told to register.

The ice cream lovers' dad was a lawyer or some such thing and was looking to raise a stink about it. I can't find a link right now but I promise to keep looking.

this may have been an extrapolation of a real-life situation in the 1960s,

where a large ice cream chain (baskin & robbins?) sold birthday lists to the US draft board.

free ice cream,

viet fata nam!

the cards had birthdate, address, name, all far more up-to-date than the US databases at the time.

i read aboot it in a text book for college, information gathering, etc. stuck with me as a 40-year-old example of what corporations will do for a nickel.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Looger+May 11 2005, 08:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Looger @ May 11 2005, 08:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RougeUnderoos@May 11 2005, 05:20 AM
I read something recently about a couple kids in the States who went to an ice cream shop and filled out some forms so they would get mailed a voucher for free ice cream on their birthday.

Seems that free ice cream just once a year wasn't enough for these lads though so they made up a few fake names (ie "Joe Blow") and birthdates, put down their real address and sent it in.

I don't know how much ice-cream they got out of it in the meantime but a few years went by and lo and behold the house gets a "you Mr. Joe Blow must now register with the draft board because you are 18 years old" letter from the military. It seems that the government had bought the customer list from the cold-treat-shack and were checking it to make sure no 18 y.o. was missing from the potential soldier list. The fake person, invented for a free cone, was being told to register.

The ice cream lovers' dad was a lawyer or some such thing and was looking to raise a stink about it. I can't find a link right now but I promise to keep looking.

this may have been an extrapolation of a real-life situation in the 1960s,

where a large ice cream chain (baskin & robbins?) sold birthday lists to the US draft board.

free ice cream,

viet fata nam!

the cards had birthdate, address, name, all far more up-to-date than the US databases at the time.

i read aboot it in a text book for college, information gathering, etc. stuck with me as a 40-year-old example of what corporations will do for a nickel. [/b][/quote]
Well it turns out it is a true story but it happened in 1984, not recently.

http://www.snopes.com/military/icecream.htm

[Claeren]

There is a full USA draft board.

It is maintained year round so that within a moment's notice a draft can be activated and the entire American youth population can be mobilized willingly.... or not....

Pretty scary, eh?



There IS a website out there for it if you look....


Claeren.

[Looger]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@May 11 2005, 05:26 PM
Well it turns out it is a true story but it happened in 1984, not recently.

http://www.snopes.com/military/icecream.htm

the 1984 one is news to me,

i'd be surprised if the textbook i read it in was written after 1984.

maybe it's an old idea...

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Claeren@May 11 2005, 05:33 PM
There is a full USA draft board.

It is maintained year round so that within a moment's notice a draft can be activated and the entire American youth population can be mobilized willingly.... or not....

Pretty scary, eh?



There IS a website out there for it if you look....


Claeren.

Well, no.

The draft can't be mobilized in a moment's notice.

[Claeren]

Why not?

[CaptainCrunch]

A draft would have to be approved by all levels of government, and would be a death knell for the Republicans unless there was a really good reason for it, like an invasion of American soil.

They can still track people that would potentially fall into draft criteria, but they can't go any further then names, ages, and addresses.

I very much doubt you'd ever see a conscript army in the States again after the mess it caused in the late 60's and early 70's

[Claeren]

Oh, like the threat of nuclear war? Wonder how hard that would be to sell....



They have an actual ghost draft department - that department is active and acts as if there is a draft, so to speak, at all times. If and when a draft order came, regardless of how difficult it was to get that order, a draft could start immediately.

It all came out in the aftermath of 9/11 when the secret 2nd/mirror/ghost government was briefly activated (well, it is always active, but it was enabled, so to speak) as an emergency precaution.


Claeren.

[Looger]

singularly on the basis of effectiveness, a conscript army will not work today as it did 50 years ago.

weapon / equipment sophistication is too high to have disinterested soldiers.

ask russia, re. afghanistan

neo-cons, etc., they know this, they're crazy but not stupid. they're looking for a pearl harbour to drive recruitment up.

sunburn missiles, straight of hormuz, airstrikes in june, carrier group in the line of fire, hmmmmm....