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speede5 · 08-16-2011, 10:03 AM

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories...-money-110816/

I don't doubt the insurance company is going to negate this.

You Need a Thneed · 08-16-2011, 10:21 AM

You aren't allowed to anyone you want to take the shot? (Unless of course they are a professional, or employed by the company, etc).

I can't see why they shouldn't be able to get the money.

Cecil Terwilliger · 08-16-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

You aren't allowed to anyone you want to take the shot? (Unless of course they are a professional, or employed by the company, etc).

I can't see why they shouldn't be able to get the money.

It's because from what i heard yesterday on teh news the person whose name is drawn must take the shot.

I just can't believe the dad said something. They're genetically identical, it's practically the same kid! Put that #### in a trust or RESP and get the kids set for Uni.

Coach · 08-16-2011, 10:32 AM

Yeah I think they'll end up with the money.

JustAnotherGuy · 08-16-2011, 10:35 AM

They didn't play by the rules so they lose. Simple as that.

Reaper · 08-16-2011, 12:51 PM

I really applaud the father for coming clean on this one. I'm not sure that I could have done it.

THE SCUD · 08-16-2011, 12:55 PM

There's good honesty and useless, stupid blind-faith honesty.

This is the later.

Cecil Terwilliger · 08-16-2011, 01:06 PM

Best part of the story as seen on Global...

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With the way the Sedins performed this past post-season, it wouldn't have mattered which of them took the shot because neither of the twins would have made it.

(or something to that effect)

Lol.

Hockeyguy15 · 08-16-2011, 01:07 PM

How is this any different than the guy who bought a 50/50 at the Flames game and gave the ticket to an usher to claim in the event that he won?

The one twin let the other twin shoot...They each get half. End of story.

Cecil Terwilliger · 08-16-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

How is this any different than the guy who bought a 50/50 at the Flames game and gave the ticket to an usher to claim in the event that he won?

The one twin let the other twin shoot...They each get half. End of story.

This would be more akin to getting chosen to appear on Jeopardy and asking Ken Jennings to be your stand-in.

Well, ok not really because kid who actually shot isn't exactly a superstar. Same idea though. The person who is chosen to compete in the contest has to be the one who actually competes.

Hockeyguy15 · 08-16-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

This would be more akin to getting chosen to appear on Jeopardy and choosing Ken Jennings to be your stand-in.

Seriously you think you example makes more sense than mine? Your twin brother takes the shot for you because you left the game early, vs one of the best people to ever appear on Jeopardy goes on the show instead of you?

You're out to lunch on this one.

Regular_John · 08-16-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

How is this any different than the guy who bought a 50/50 at the Flames game and gave the ticket to an usher to claim in the event that he won?

The one twin let the other twin shoot...They each get half. End of story.

50/50 draw is a guaranteed prize, they have the cash on hand they know they are going to give away 1/2 the pot to the winning ticket. Given that there was no dispute between the season ticket holder & the usher there was nothing to debate from the Flames side. They had a winning ticket and a party ready to claim the prize.

But with this contest they weren't guaranteed a winner or prize payout, so instead of having the $50,000 ready to be given out they would have purchased an insurance policy that they would claim in the event some one makes the goal.

It's the same as those "million dollar hole-in-one" contest, they don't actually expect some one to make a hole-in-one and claim the prize, so they get insured for a million dollars rather than have the cash on hand.

Unfortunately it's not the end of the story when you're trying to get an insurance policy to pay out.

Hockeyguy15 · 08-16-2011, 01:16 PM

Unless there is fine print saying the ticket is non-transferable and you have to be present at the time of the draw then too bad for the insurance company.

Muta · 08-16-2011, 01:16 PM

That father has a serious amount of integrity.

Definitely a quality you don't find much in people these days.

He absolutely did the right thing.

I'd give them the money anyways, just for rewarding the shot that was taken AND for the father's honesty.

Cecil Terwilliger · 08-16-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Seriously you think you example makes more sense than mine? Your twin brother takes the shot for you because you left the game early, vs one of the best people to ever appear on Jeopardy goes on the show instead of you?

You're out to lunch on this one.

Did you even read my post? You can't just choose someone else to stand in for a personal competition. Nice selective editing where you left out the only relevant part of my post.

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The person who is chosen to compete in the contest has to be the one who actually competes.

If you really think this is like letting someone else claim your 50/50 ticket...then wow. Don't even know what to say really.

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Unless there is fine print saying the ticket is non-transferable and you have to be present at the time of the draw then too bad for the insurance company.

I don't think you get it.

The insurance company almost certainly covered their bases here. I'm sure things like this well covered by the insurance company. No way an insurance company doesn't have every single possible outcome covered.

The insurance company will deny the claim and then the company who put on the contest will just say "sorry kid, no money for you".

Then if the kid's family really wants to they will sue the contest organizer, but they won't because they seem like nice people who don't really want/need the money anyway.

However, based on the attention this story is getting maybe the family gets reimbursed by some angel donation for their goodwill.

Hockeyguy15 · 08-16-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Did you even read my post? You can't just choose someone else to stand in for a personal competition. Nice selective editing where you left out the only relevant part of my post.

If you really think this is like letting someone else claim your 50/50 ticket...then wow. Don't even know what to say really.

No where in article does it say the person who buys the ticket has to be the one who shoots the puck. You might think it would be a slam dunk that the insurance company covered all their bases, but if they did why wasn't it mentioned? It is a pretty significant detail to not include.

I don't think you get it.

The insurance company almost certainly covered their bases here. I'm sure things like this well covered by the insurance company. No way an insurance company doesn't have every single possible outcome covered.

The insurance company will deny the claim and then the company who put on the contest will just say "sorry kid, no money for you".

Then if the kid's family really wants to they will sue the contest organizer, but they won't because they seem like nice people who don't really want/need the money anyway.

However, based on the attention this story is getting maybe the family gets reimbursed by some angel donation for their goodwill.

No where in the article does it mention that the person who bought the ticket has to shoot. You are assuming the insurance company has all their bases covered, but that isn't always true. It's a pretty big detail to leave out of the article.

If there is no provision saying the ticket cannot be transferred then the insurance company has no leg to stand on.

speede5 · 08-16-2011, 02:14 PM

They should have told the organizer before the shot, they probably would have let it go and then there would be no problem. This wasn't Wendy's kick for a million, where the selection process is very official. They probably would have said, 'whatever kid, good luck', and the rest would be history. Hopefully they get something for being honest, it's not like they were maliciously trying to defraud anyone.

Raekwon · 08-16-2011, 02:24 PM

Yeah this contest required a name on the ticket and the name drawn had a chance to shoot. If it was just buy a numbered ticket then he could have passed this off, but this was specific that the person drawn would shoot. The insurance company will never payout on this and I guarantee the courts would back that.

jar_e · 08-16-2011, 02:39 PM

An insurance company finding a way to avoid paying out $50 000? I'm pretty sure they'll be taking advantage of that...

mykalberta · 08-16-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by THE SCUD

There's good honesty and useless, stupid blind-faith honesty.

This is the later.

No there is not.

There is honesty, and there is not honesty.