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Reggie Dunlop · 07-07-2010, 12:07 AM

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I quite reading after 6 pages so please forgive me if I'm repeating something.

Adultery defined by Judeo-Christian tradition is the breaking of the marriage covenant. That covenant is the vows the couple made to each other before God. A person sleeping with someone under such a covenant is committing adultery even though they didn't make the covenant. They are participating in the breaking of the covenant. Islam might see things different though.

Also one big reason why female adultery has been traditionally dealt with so harshly around the world is the birthright. Until recent times you had to be able to trust the virtue of your wife to know the children she produced was actually yours. In our 21st century culture birthright and inheritance isn't as important because for most of us we are more concerned with creating our own wealth. We also, live fairly long lives and aren't too worried about what we leave behind.

Traditionally a birthright determined your station in life and what standard of living you and your future children would enjoy. It was very difficult to move up from whatever station your birth placed you in. Wealth was passed down through inheritance rather than earned. Short life spans made producing a male heir and seeing that the family inheritance was passed down uncorrupted as one of the most important duties a man had to his family. An unfaithful wife put everything in doubt. Her betrayal wasn't just against you but, against your whole clan.

The Christian Bible says stoning disobedient children is okay.

oilyfan · 07-07-2010, 08:17 AM

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The Christian Bible says stoning disobedient children is okay.

I am no defender of the the bible. But despite what it says nobody stones their children for disobedience based on it.

So why is it ok for muslims to use the teachings of the Koran to justify barbaric acts envisaged in the medieval days?

Cheese · 07-07-2010, 08:54 AM

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I am no defender of the the bible. But despite what it says nobody stones their children for disobedience based on it.

So why is it ok for muslims to use the teachings of the Koran to justify barbaric acts envisaged in the medieval days?

Better yet...why believe any book that suggests anything of a barbaric nature?

Pinner · 07-07-2010, 09:25 AM

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So why is it ok for muslims to use the teachings of the Koran to justify barbaric acts envisaged in the medieval days?

They might think we are barbaric for what we have done to the people of Iraq.

Just wait, there will be a reason someday to wage war with Iran, like the Strait Of Hormuz...

peter12 · 07-07-2010, 09:27 AM

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They might think we are barbaric for what we have done to the people of Iraq.

Just wait, there will be a reason someday to wage war with Iran, like the Strait Of Hormuz...

Relativism helps most people sleep at night, but the world is worse off for it.

Finny61 · 07-07-2010, 12:59 PM

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The Christian Bible says stoning disobedient children is okay.

Is that according to the New Testament?

puckluck · 07-07-2010, 01:01 PM

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Is that according to the New Testament?

What do you mean by new testament? Did god write a updated version of the bible?

You'd think by now there would be a app for that.

Finny61 · 07-07-2010, 01:10 PM

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What do you mean by new testament? Did god write a updated version of the bible?

You'd think by now there would be a app for that.

Perhaps you should consider researching it before posting comments. Were you not banned awhile ago? Is there an app to keep you banned?

oilyfan · 07-07-2010, 01:14 PM

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Better yet...why believe any book that suggests anything of a barbaric nature?

Agreed wholeheartedly

puckluck · 07-07-2010, 02:09 PM

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Perhaps you should consider researching it before posting comments. Were you not banned awhile ago? Is there an app to keep you banned?

Actually I know exactly what I'm talking about. It just makes no sense to me how the new testament can over ride the old testament. The old testament is harsh so did god just all of a sudden soften up with the new testament? or is it just written by man to soften up the old testament?

And yes I was sinbinned a while ago, but I don't see what that has to do with anything. And there is a app for that: It's called the ignore button.

Knalus · 07-07-2010, 04:07 PM

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Actually I know exactly what I'm talking about. It just makes no sense to me how the new testament can over ride the old testament. The old testament is harsh so did god just all of a sudden soften up with the new testament? or is it just written by man to soften up the old testament?

And yes I was sinbinned a while ago, but I don't see what that has to do with anything. And there is a app for that: It's called the ignore button.

The Old Testament is a Stick. The New Testament is a Carrot. They are both attempts to show the right path to a person. In the New Testament it was frequently mentioned that it wasn't the Old Testament that was wrong, but that people weren't reading it right (A point of view that Islam also appears to share, but has made a different conclusion). Having both the Old and the New Testaments actually help to illuminate the direction a person's life should go.

Traditional_Ale · 07-07-2010, 04:29 PM

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The Old Testament is a Stick. The New Testament is a Carrot. They are both attempts to show the right path to a person. In the New Testament it was frequently mentioned that it wasn't the Old Testament that was wrong, but that people weren't reading it right (A point of view that Islam also appears to share, but has made a different conclusion). Having both the Old and the New Testaments actually help to illuminate the direction a person's life should go.

^ Shouldn't the person decide what direction their life should go?

normtwofinger · 07-07-2010, 04:50 PM

^Why not have a little guidance along the way. There's a manual for everything, why not a manual for life?

Reggie Dunlop · 07-07-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Knalus

The Old Testament is a Stick. The New Testament is a Carrot. They are both attempts to show the right path to a person. In the New Testament it was frequently mentioned that it wasn't the Old Testament that was wrong, but that people weren't reading it right (A point of view that Islam also appears to share, but has made a different conclusion). Having both the Old and the New Testaments actually help to illuminate the direction a person's life should go.

The Christian religion is every bit as barbaric and repressive as the Islamic religion. Maybe even more so.

Traditional_Ale · 07-07-2010, 04:59 PM

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^Why not have a little guidance along the way. There's a manual for everything, why not a manual for life?

Because someone had to write that manual, and I am an autonomous being. Just not for me. No biggie to me if others are into it.

normtwofinger · 07-08-2010, 06:37 AM

So then by being an autonomous being, you are not controlled by others or outside forces.

So it must be pretty cool being above the laws of Canada (others), and not be affected by gravity (outside force). What's it like to fly?

GreenTeaFrapp · 07-08-2010, 07:33 AM

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Because someone had to write that manual, and I am an autonomous being.

Is that anything like being a freeman on the land?

Resolute 14 · 07-08-2010, 08:01 AM

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^Why not have a little guidance along the way. There's a manual for everything, why not a manual for life?

In this context, the Bible is no better a manual than any self-help book you can find at Chapters: Man's opinion expressed to other men. All things considered, I'd say How to Win Friends and Influence People is more relevant to today's society than the Bible.

Traditional_Ale · 07-08-2010, 11:03 AM

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Is that anything like being a freeman on the land?

No.

normtwofinger · 07-08-2010, 01:48 PM

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In this context, the Bible is no better a manual than any self-help book you can find at Chapters: Man's opinion expressed to other men. All things considered, I'd say How to Win Friends and Influence People is more relevant to today's society than the Bible.

Well if you actually have read the bible, you'll know that it's not man who wrote it.

"Man's opinion expressed to other men." This sounds like CP.

I know this is a discussion that could go on forever. You have your opinion and I have mine. We both feel strongly about them, and neither opinions are going to change. From experience, I can say that I feel the bible is a good thing to have in your life. I know the meaning of life, why we are here, what happens to us when we die, what is going to happpen to this world in the future. I have completeness in my life. Can you say the same?